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Skriven 2015-09-08 19:56:45 av David Drummond (3:640/305)
  Kommentar till text 28061 av Bill McGarrity (20254.2fidonews)
Ärende: Z1C
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On 8/09/2015 8:24 AM, Bill McGarrity -> David Drummond wrote:

 DD>> Nothing - but we were discussing membership of Fidonet. Users are not
 DD>> members, they are nobody - according to the almighty P4

 BM> They contribute, they're a member.

Of what? According to the almight POL4 users are nobody, no rights and no
responsibilities.
[..]

 DD>> Use of a product does not make one a member of any club.

 BM> Fido is not a product... it's a community.  Last I looked it wasn't being
 BM> traded on any of the world stock exchanges.

Especially not in Australia where is has n legal existence at all.

Fidonet is nothing but a technology.

 BM> Member [MEM-ber]

 BM> Noun

 BM> a person, animal, plant, group, etc., that is part of a society, party,
 BM> community, taxon, or other body.

Fidonet is but a technology.
[...]

 BM> Agreed, the individuals who wrote the software that sits on your
 BM> computer that communicates with the community.

Nope - I use an NNTP client to write messages. Those message are dropped at
another system out there on the Internet using NNTP protocols. What that system
does with them is not my doing.

 BM>  If you don't like the community, then I'd advise you to delete the
software,

I use the mail editor for SMTP messages too.

 DD>> Indeed, I haven't paid one in some time.

 BM> So then we can add scofflaw to one of your many titles.

A North American term, so not likely to be applied to me here.

But, that exactly explains Fidonet's stupid bloody Policy.

 DD>> [...]

 DD>>> My interest isn't as strong as it once was. I haven't written any
Fidonet utilities in a long time. When Fidonet becomes too bothersome
 DD>>> to keep up with I will just drop out. Unlike some I have a life beyond
the nodelist.

 BM>> Just as we all do but you seem especially interested in this as more of
an OCD issue.

 DD>> Could be - or not, the jury is still out.

 BM>> No one is controlling you.

 DD>> But some would try.

 BM> Why would anyone point you out as the one to control.  You're seemingly a
disgruntled member of Fido who, by his own admission, respects no one. I
 BM> for one only do it as to see into your mind and how you truely feel about
Fido and the rest of the membership.

I don't.

 BM>> You say whatever the hell you feel like and I guess no one from the Oz
 DD>> uber lord society is breaking your door down...
 BM>> why stress over bullshit.

 DD>> Do you think that your society has the exclusive right to freedom of
 DD>> speech?
 BM>>> till then, you're bound by the /clerk/ system.

 DD>>> Not quite - not every thing happens as per the procedures laid
 BM> out in
 DD>>> Pol4. [...]

 BM>> Has that infringed your ability to communicate?

 DD>> Nope and all done without the usual palaver. No pledges of
 BM> allegiance,
 DD>> no swearing to obey the mighty document or the *C sect "managing" it.

 BM> Ahhhh... in your mind you think so but what about the rest of the *C
structure that moves your mail from one point to the other...

Only one *C is involved in the movement of my mail - then it travels via
"normal" echo paths.

 Take this message for
 BM> instance...

 BM> X-FTN-PATH       640/305 384 203/0

 BM> Well I'll be... Bj%rn is there!!

Yep, Björn as a mail mover, not Björn as a *C. According to policy *Cs have no
obligation to move echomail.

 BM> In order for your /idea/ can ever be possible you, as every other node
would ahve to contact directly every node listed.  I
 BM> don't see you calling my system? Bj%rn yes. Therefore, you need a *C to
communicate.

If I wished to contact your system directly I would crashmail your system
directly. Up until now I have had no need to do that.
[...]
 BM>> So we're all just numbers... Mr. Orwell... you're a genius!!

 DD>> You got it. I can terminate any of you from my existence with the click
 DD>> of a key. Can't do that with real people.

 BM> Playing the island card again?

Nope, playing the virtual reality card.

 DD>>> Clerks are not a political position, just a utility position. They
should

 DD>> not be awarded an omnipotent powers (as many seem to do at the
 DD>>> moment)..

 BM> Moderators are actually the ones who enforce any given law within an echo.

Or not - they have no power these days.
[...]
 DD>> Not me - you! You speak as if you're in fear of your *C structure
 DD>> excommunicating you.

 BM> I don't fear a thing.  In your mind you think I may but what is to
fear?...
 BM> others moving mail so I can communicate with others?  You seem to have 
too much
 BM> time on your hands which seem to be leading to psychotic issues that
everyone
 BM> is after you.  Hardly the case.  You, as I are on the bottom of the totum
 BM> pole.. this is a hobby for me and as such I take things with a grain of
salt
 BM> anymore.  Why get stressed as you seem to be doing with the your /they're
after
 BM> me/ attitude.

Then why are you telling me I must obey the rules? Sure sounds like you're
trying to control my actions.
[...]

 DD>> A great place to hide info from the masses?

 DD>> Why do we have netmail and echo mail message areas?

 DD>> My system uses a BinkP mailer - it does not use the nodelist you
 BM> refer
 DD>> to.

 BM> As do I yet I read it. So it is below your paygrade to read the nodelist?
 BM> Sheesh,

I don't usually have a copy of the nodelist - I grabbed one the other day to
check something.

 DD>> "To hold in high esteem". I don;t know these authors - I feel nothing
 DD>> for/against them.

 BM> But yet earlier you stated you had no respect for them?  Which one is it?

I have no feelings for which includes a lack of the feeling of respect. Nada.
[...]
D>> I've thought about it but lack the motivation.

 BM>> Then you can only bitch at yourself...

 DD>> I'm happy to use the software currently available.

 BM> If that's the case, then you accept by default on how this network
 BM> operates..

I don't use any Fidonet network, I communicate via the Internet.
[...]

 DD>> Much as FN_SYSOP I suppose.

 BM> Wouldn't know... you seem to be the only one who holds elections in a very
 BM> public worldwide echo.  If you don't mind, can you show me an
advertisement
 BM> from FN_SYSOP where an election was called since 2002 where ALL
participants
 BM> were advised of such election.

Sorry, you are not part of the elite set that are privy to the communication.

 BM> The difference is, Z! is an entity within Fido, just as Z2, Z3 and Z4.
What goes on in those other areas are of no
 BM> concern of mine, nor anyone elses outside of said zone.

That's how the Jews went under during WWII - wasn't anyone else's concern.

And now that I have brought that subject up we must drop the thread.

Have a nice day.

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regards
David

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