Text 28883, 143 rader
Skriven 2015-10-26 20:22:04 av Paul Hayton (3:770/100)
  Kommentar till text 28871 av Lee Lofaso (2:203/2)
Ärende: Re: Counting again
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On 10/25/15, Lee Lofaso pondered and said...
 
Hi Lee.

 LL>  LL>> Really?  One sysop in Zone 3 refused to allow Tim Richardson to
 LL>  LL>> send/receive messages because he was "too controversial" - that
 LL>  LL>> sysop being from NZ.  Since there are only 19 nodes (by your own
 LL>  LL>> count) in Zone 3, it should be a very simple matter to figure
 LL>  LL>> out which sysop that is.  Do you want to do the honor and tell
 LL>  LL>> us?  Or would you rather somebody else do that for you?
 LL> 
 LL>  PH> Sorry Lee, but as the sysop directly involved in your tale, you are
 LL>  PH> incorrect.
 LL>  PH> Not suprising really, given you are peddling your information second 
 LL> 
 LL> I received my information directly from Tim Richardson.
 LL> I call that "first hand" information.

Sure thing, let's run with those semantics... but your still spreading
inaccuracies all the same.

 LL>  PH> The user in question signed up as a new user at Agency BBS requesting
 LL>  PH> account validation to 'double agent' status... those are regular user
 LL> with
 LL>  PH> read and write access to files and message areas. All users here star
 LL>  PH> with full read access to message bases except for sysop only echos.
 LL> 
 LL> The fidonews echo, like most other fidonet echos, is a public echo
 LL> allowing for both read and write access for all participants - not
 LL> just some or even most.  You seem to have a problem with that.

..and you're inventing problems that don't exist.

 LL>  PH> Like any sysop I can choose to validate (or not) any new user account
 LL>  PH> requests access to my system. In this case based on what I had read w
 LL>  PH> respect to this users conduct towards others across several echoareas
 LL>  PH> declined and wished the user all the best in finding a system that wo
 LL>  PH> accomodate their needs.
 LL> 
 LL> In other words, you chose go become a censor of fidonet, going
 LL> against the wishes of the recognized moderator of this echo, who
 LL> has publicly stated in the rules of this echo that all who wish
 LL> to participate be granted both read and write access -

You are ignoring the prerequisite process everyone goes though of first
becoming a validated member of a BBS they apply to join. Recall validation
affords users privilages on a BBS? On my system it relates to levels of
access to files and message areas. Actually it's a method most sysops have
used for years.

Your argument falls down ** spectaculary ** when you assert a user should have
read/write access to this (or any other) echo just by being logged on to a
BBS where that echo resides ;)

 LL> In so doing, you lower yourself to the lowest of the low, becoming
 LL> a kontrol freak yourself - no different than those in zone 1.

Name calling is unbecoming of you.

 LL> It doesn't matter what you think.  Censorship is censorship.

..and what you think is ALL that matters - right? Of course it is - I'm so
sorry I should have known :)

 LL>  PH> So Lee... it had nothing to do with the user being "to controversial"
 LL>  PH> was there any threat made to me from any other sysop to bar this user
 LL>  PH> else etc. etc...
 LL> 
 LL> It is about censorship.

There's that C word again, wow you really are trying to twist this in to an
issue aren't you? Keep repeating it often enough and perhaps someone will
care?

 LL>  PH> nor is this user denined read access to message areas - that's all to
 LL>  PH> fiction.
 LL> 
 LL> Your story is fiction.  Mine is not.

OK Lee what ever you say... the truth is out there... in fact it starts again
soon on FOX TV I'm looking forward to seeing it.

 LL>  PH> What happened, and why is noted above. #MYTHBUSTED
 LL> 
 LL> What happened is you became a censor of fidonet, refusing
 LL> to abide by the wishes of the moderator of this echo.
 LL> 
 LL> Such truth spoken to power.  Hurts, doesn't it?

Best you quote your source - http://www.quaker.org/sttp.html - "A Quaker
Search for an Alternative to Violence - a study of international conflict"

Your attempt to engender a conflict in this thread makes your use of this
reference ironic indeed.

The topic you were trying to bait Ward on was raised in this FIDONEWS echo
by you alone. I have simply replied to it to add balance to assertions.
If anyone is refusing to abide by the wishes of the moderator of this echo it
is you....

[start quote]

From: Moderator     
  To: All
Subj: Rules for FIDONEWS
Date: 05/01/14 00:15
Base: FidoNews Discussion

                     Rules for the Fidonews Echo
                         Revised: 2004-05-31

[snip]

Purpose:

  The purpose of this echo is the discussion of recent articles (within
  the last two weeks) in the Fidonews publication.

                              -=-=-=-=-

General Rules:

[snip]

3. Discuss only articles printed in the Fidonews Publication. A certain
   amount of straying from this is however expected and encouraged.


[/quote]

I don't recall reading anything in Fidonews in the last few weeks about this
topic we are discussing. The topic you rasied.

I'm going to drop the thread now Lee... we're off topic here and further
discussion only serves one purpose, to keep you happy. Sorry, I'm not going to
oblige.

"These are not the droids you are looking for" - Ben Obi-Wan Kenobi

Best, Paul.

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