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Skriven 2016-01-21 09:30:56 av Joel Meyer (2:2490/3045.11)
  Kommentar till text 30809 av Lee Lofaso (2:203/2)
Ärende: the bible and culture etc.
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Hello Lee,

reading all this mails so far I decided to give some thoughts. Sorry, it's a
bit long...

21 Jan 16 04:04, Lee Lofaso wrote to Björn Felten:

 LL> In the Book of Joshua, the Israelites attack the city of Jericho,
 LL> and seek to kill every living thing they find.  Men, women, children,
 LL> ox, sheep, etc.  It was a genocide, plain and simple.  And they did
 LL> it because their god told them to.  No other reason.

Do I understand correctly that you want to blame god for that? A mail before
you said that the Jewish did what they was told to in the law, the law they get
from _Moses_. That is what you wrote but that's not correct. The law was given
by god _through_ Moses. That is just a little inconsistency in your mails...

The other thought is: If god is god, can you blame him? I mean, who are you?
Who am I? We are just humans and god is god...

 LL> The Jewish people are worshipping the wrong god.

definitely not true. In fact there is only one god. So you may only ask: Do
they worship the true god?

 LL> Judas Iscariot sold Jesus for 30 pieces of silver.

 LL> The going price for an adult male was 50 pieces of silver.
 LL> The going price for an adult female was 30 pieces of silver.

That is just from on book of the bible. When you just want so look at the
pentateuch then what does Jesus and Judas do here? So if you tell us about
Jesus and Judas you have to look at the whole bible, not just excerpts.

So just compare: Joseph was  sold for twenty pieces of silver (Gen 37:28) and
in Exodus 21:32: If the ox gores a slave, male or female, the owner shall give
to their master thirty shekels of silver, and the ox shall be stoned. And we
read in Philippians 2:7 that Jesus became "the form of a servant". In fact the
word "thirty" is 106 times in the ESV, 9 times it's about money. So you can't
just take a number you found somewhere in the bible.

 LL> The Christian people are worshipping the wrong god.

 LL> And Judas did betray Jesus with a kiss.
 LL> Not a handshake.

The Christians do _not_ worship the wrong god (see above).

Judas did betray Jesus with a kiss, that is true. But a kiss does not mean the
same thing to us. The Jews kissed the Torah, the Muslims kiss the kaaba,
children kiss their parents (mother _and_ father). It is a completely different
culture and it's hard to understand for people from other cultures. So the kiss
does _not_ tell us that Jesus was a woman, it just tells us that the relation
between Jesus and his twelve was deeper than just two men meeting in a street
or so. And you can not change his gender because of this idea. In the whole
bible Jesus is male.

 LL> Yes, Jesus was a woman.
 LL> Definitely a woman.
 LL> With real tits.
 LL> Not just long hair.
 LL> Actually it was nappy hair.
 LL> But lets not bother with details.

(see above) Jesus was no woman, definitely not. So he didn't have tits. If he
has long hair - I don't know. In fact he was man.

 LL> Read your bible, it's all in there.

Of course, I can say that, too. The bible is god's word. Sadly most people
don't read it. And for studying the bible you should look at the people in
there. What culture did they have? What did they think? How did they live? This
is because Jesus told so many parables: People can understand them.

May I ask how long do you read the bible? Do you believe in god and his son?

Greetings,
Joel

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