Text 31893, 146 rader
Skriven 2016-03-18 12:03:00 av Bill McGarrity (24086.2fidonews)
  Kommentar till text 31889 av Lee Lofaso (2:203/2)
Ärende: Re: What kind of nonsense is this?
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-=> Lee Lofaso wrote to Bill McGarrity <=-

Hiya Lee...


 LL>> Since when is expressing an opinion about climate change grounds
 LL>> for censorship or removal from fidonet?

 BM> Did I not explain that above? 10-15 times spewing the same thing over and
 BM> over again when the subject was dropped and was explained to the poster
 BM> we'd not discuss it anymore?

 LL> That's what Flat Earthers tried to tell Galileo.  But did it make
 LL> them right?  By censoring someone whose views they disagreed with,
 LL> Flat Earthers thought they could continue to fool the masses.  But
 LL> the only ones they were deluding were themselves.

The old flat earth arguement.  Well, the views of those well over 600+ years
ago certainly has no bearing on what is happening today.  Concept maybe the
same but as was discussed with him, he seems to confuse weather with climate. 
We all know weather patterns will duplicate themselves as will the certain
effects of climate.  What was not understood was the extreme rate of change
over a short period of time.  This is the key.  If indeed natural climate
patterns would effect inhabitants over a "x" period of time, there is proof
that this "x" period is much shorter than previous periods.  There in lies the
problem.... man's insensitivity towards the very thing that gives us life.  He
was explained this by a few of us yet he feels it's his duty to consistanly
harp on the fact it doesn't exist.  I for one said I was no longer going to
discuss it even to the point he was to leave my name out of any further
discussion.  He didn't.  His loss and Ed's gain.   


 BM>>> So tell me, where was the feed cut.

 LL>>> Ask Ed.  He's the one who done it.

 BM>> No, he banned Richardson from his board, which is his right even BM>if it
 BM> was for a hangnail.

 LL>> That's what you keep telling me.  And every time I ask you to put
 LL>> up or shut up, you keep your mouth shut.  So where's your evidence?
 LL>> Where is your proof?  Does it exist?  Remember, you are the one who
 LL>> told me the cock and bull story about Ed having a discussion with
 LL>> Tim.  So prove it.  If you can.

Again, Ed is the only one who can tell you. Being he was banned from Ed's
system is proof enough there were words.... so the burden of proof lies in your
court to prove this "ban" was unjust.  As I said, Ed has every right to do what
he wants with his system.


 BM> Again, for the thrid time, ask Ed why.

 LL> You made the claim.  You support it, and substantiate it, if you can.
 LL> Otherwise, why should I, or anybody else, believe you (or Ed)?

Doesn't matter what you or I believe. The fact is Ed booted Richardson for a
justified reason. You may not agree with his easoning but that's just the way
many things are in life.... out of your control.  


 BM> It's his system and as I said, he can do whatever he wants with it.

 LL> Just because he can doesn't mean he should.  If an individual claims
 LL> to be in favor of free speech and acts in a far different manner, then
 LL> that individual has shown the world that he/she is not to be believed
 LL> or trusted.

You keep going back to free speech.  Are you discussing moderation or banning?
Free speech has it limitations as you've always stated.  I'm sure Ed is a
reasonable man and if a discussion took place between Ed and Richardson that
was somewhat civil, he's still be posting on Ed's board. He's not, therefore it
can be said that the meeting of the minds didn't go very well for Richardson.  



 BM> What part of that do you not understand?

 LL> You made a claim, and failed to substantiate/support that claim.

is Richardson posting on Ed's board? Not sure you need anything more than
that.... but YMMV.  I suggest you speak to Ed as to the full reasoning why.  As
they say, you want the right answer, go to the horse's mouth.

 LL> I asked you to back up your claim with evidence/proof.  You have
 LL> been unable to do so.  That tells me you are either made it all
 LL> up, or have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Is he posting on Ed's board?  That's all the proof I need.  Maybe you need
more.  Ask Ed.


 BM>>> I'm thinking you're just imagining it in your head.

 BM> Mmmm... don't think so but it's your fantasy...

 LL> You have no idea what my fantasy is or might be.
 LL> Hell, I do not even know myself.  But I will when
 LL> I find it.  Kind of like shangri-la.  I will know
 LL> when I find it ...

When it comes to the DEBATE echo, I have a feeling you'll be looking for a long
time.


 BM>> You highly complained when Roger was posting rules in FIDONEWS....

 LL>> Roger is not the moderator.

 BM>> yet you seem it's ok for you to do it in someone elses echo.

 LL>> The echo belongs to everybody.

 BM> Then why did you feel it necessary to put your name on it?

 LL> I put everybody's name on it.

Nope... when you added your name as moderator (which is questionable) you
placed a restriction on it.  

 LL>> The ethics of fidonet.  That would make a really neat title
 LL>> for a psychostudy.  It could even earn me a PhD.  Somewhere.
 LL>> Worked for Wayne Chirnside, who earned hers that way ...

 BM> Go for it....

 LL> I already have my certificate.

You're not putting that knowledge to very good use then... oh well.


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Bill

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