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Skriven 2009-01-23 20:47:35 av Ross Sauer (1:123/789.0)
   Kommentar till text 1558 av Ed Hulett (1:123/789.0)
Ärende: Muslim lawyer brands Chri
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"Ed Hulett -> Ross Sauer" <1:123/789.0> wrote in
news:5613$HOLYSMOKE@JamNNTPd:

 RS>> What evidence do you have that the actual number IS 13 million?
 RS>> Just what the church leaders tell you.

 EH> It's public knowledge.

No, it's public PR.

 RS>>>> Still, so what.

 EH>>> That in itself proves the LDS Church is not a cult.

 RS>> Numbers do not disprove it.

 EH> And nothing you can say proves it is.

You are the one claiming your faith is valid.
I can't prove a negative.

 RS>>>> Far more people believe that Muhammed was in direct touch with
 EH>>>   God and RS> was his "TrVe Prophet."

 EH>>> Many Muslims were converted by the sword. Look at any place
 EH>   where EH>> Islam is dominant and you will see a barbaric attempt at
 EH>   eliminating EH>> all other beliefs. In fact, they force atheists to
 EH>   take an oath of EH>> allegiance.

 RS>> Just how many is "many?"

 EH> The majority in such places as Africa and South East Asia. It's in the
 EH> news all the time.

"It's in the news all the time."
You know as well as I do, that news media go for "if it bleeds, it
leads."

So they will give an inordinate amount of attention to conflicts, wars,
terrorist acts, and violence.
How much coverage does the average Muslim faithful, those who don't
commit atrocities and violence get?

 RS>> Lets just concentrate on people here in the US.

 EH> And why should we do that?

Because here in the US, "convert or die" is illegal.
We have a 1rst Amendment.

 RS>> The LDS outnumbers those who are Muslim.

 EH> Yes, and?

 RS>> HOWEVER...

 RS>> The Roman Catholic church outnumbers the LDS, also.

 EH> Here we go with the 2 step you learned so well from your mentor Klahn.

So is the RCC more valid than the LDS? Simply due to numbers?

By this numbers thing, more people worldwide believe in flying saucers
than in the LDS and the RCC combined.

So does that make flying saucers valid?

 RS>> Some RCC leaders still consider the LDS to be a cult.

 EH> They do? Which leaders would that be?

Last year I saw an Archbishop in New York who said just this.
It took me 2 minutes on Google to find this:
http://www.catholic.com/library/problems_with_the_book_of_mormon.asp

Sure sounds like the RCC and Mormons get along, doesn't it?

 RS>> Leaders in the Southern Baptists, and they outnumber the LDS
 EH>   also, RS> consider the LDS to be a cult.

 EH> And?

There are far more Southern Baptists than there are the LDS. So by your
own argument, the Southern Baptists are more valid than the LDS.

 RS>> Now, strictly on a doctrine basis, what makes Islam more of less
 RS>> invalid, than the Mormons' belief?

 EH> Islam's "Holy of Holies" is a huge shrouded obelisk with a supposed
 EH> meteorite stuck on one corner that they kiss. The very same obelisk at
 EH> Mohamed's time was covered by representations of various gods. The one
 EH> they kept was the moon god, hence the crescent moon symbol on all
 EH> their holy places. The religion began with and still uses convert by
 EH> force tactics.

THE religion? Or some?

Islam needs to kick the asses of their radicals.
The LDS kicked out their own radicals, like that Jeffs guy.

 EH> The LDS do not use idols or icons. We invite people to investigate and
 EH> allow them to make their own choice whether they want to join or not.

Doesn't use icons or idols?
So...what is the real story behind this "magic underwear" rumor?
If your faith uses "sacred garments," that is an icon or idol.

 EH>>> You don't have a clue. IOW, it is YOU who has nothing.

 RS>> Remember this saying?
 RS>> "Trust, but verify."

 EH> And?

 RS>> Who said this?

 EH> Who cares?

Reagan.

 RS>> I don't have blind belief.

 EH> Yes you do. You just don't recognize it.

Blind belief in what? Specifically?

 RS>> All you have is what your church's leaders tell you.

 EH> I have the truth.

What you hope is the truth, and was told is the truth.

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