Text 1567, 199 rader
Skriven 2009-01-23 23:26:11 av Ed Hulett (1:123/789.0)
   Kommentar till text 1563 av Ross Sauer (1:123/789.0)
Ärende: Muslim lawyer brands Chri
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Ross Sauer -> Ed Hulett wrote:
 RS>>> What evidence do you have that the actual number IS 13 million?
 RS>>> Just what the church leaders tell you.

 EH>> It's public knowledge.

 RS> No, it's public PR.

You don't know what you are talking about.

 RS>>>>> Still, so what.

 EH>>>> That in itself proves the LDS Church is not a cult.

 RS>>> Numbers do not disprove it.

 EH>> And nothing you can say proves it is.

 RS> You are the one claiming your faith is valid.
 RS> I can't prove a negative.

This all started with you claiming my faith is invalid, moron.

 RS>>>>> Far more people believe that Muhammed was in direct touch with
 EH>>>>   God and RS> was his "TrVe Prophet."

 EH>>>> Many Muslims were converted by the sword. Look at any place
 EH>>   where EH>> Islam is dominant and you will see a barbaric attempt at
 EH>>   eliminating EH>> all other beliefs. In fact, they force atheists to
 EH>>   take an oath of EH>> allegiance.

 RS>>> Just how many is "many?"

 EH>> The majority in such places as Africa and South East Asia. It's in the
 EH>> news all the time.

 RS> "It's in the news all the time."
 RS> You know as well as I do, that news media go for "if it bleeds, it
 RS> leads."

And what does that have to do with the discussion? The news media isn't making
it up.

 RS> So they will give an inordinate amount of attention to conflicts, wars,
 RS> terrorist acts, and violence.

And an inordinate amount of conflicts and wars are taking place in those
places. All of which are fueled by Islam.

 RS> How much coverage does the average Muslim faithful, those who don't
 RS> commit atrocities and violence get?

I never claimed that all the faithful were guilty.

 RS>>> Lets just concentrate on people here in the US.

 EH>> And why should we do that?

 RS> Because here in the US, "convert or die" is illegal.

And?

 RS> We have a 1rst Amendment.

And?

 RS>>> The LDS outnumbers those who are Muslim.

 EH>> Yes, and?

 RS>>> HOWEVER...

 RS>>> The Roman Catholic church outnumbers the LDS, also.

 EH>> Here we go with the 2 step you learned so well from your mentor Klahn.

 RS> So is the RCC more valid than the LDS? Simply due to numbers?

More two stepping...

 RS> By this numbers thing, more people worldwide believe in flying saucers
 RS> than in the LDS and the RCC combined.

Prove it.

 RS> So does that make flying saucers valid?

Another two step.

 RS>>> Some RCC leaders still consider the LDS to be a cult.

 EH>> They do? Which leaders would that be?

 RS> Last year I saw an Archbishop in New York who said just this.

Is that so?

 RS> It took me 2 minutes on Google to find this:
 RS> http://www.catholic.com/library/problems_with_the_book_of_mormon.asp

Which doesn't say what you think it says.

 RS> Sure sounds like the RCC and Mormons get along, doesn't it?

The two Churches work hand in hand to distribute food and clothing worldwide.

 RS>>> Leaders in the Southern Baptists, and they outnumber the LDS
 EH>>   also, RS> consider the LDS to be a cult.

 EH>> And?

 RS> There are far more Southern Baptists than there are the LDS. So by your
 RS> own argument, the Southern Baptists are more valid than the LDS.

Another attempt at two step. I never said anything about "more valid."

 RS>>> Now, strictly on a doctrine basis, what makes Islam more of less
 RS>>> invalid, than the Mormons' belief?

 EH>> Islam's "Holy of Holies" is a huge shrouded obelisk with a supposed
 EH>> meteorite stuck on one corner that they kiss. The very same obelisk at
 EH>> Mohamed's time was covered by representations of various gods. The one
 EH>> they kept was the moon god, hence the crescent moon symbol on all
 EH>> their holy places. The religion began with and still uses convert by
 EH>> force tactics.

 RS> THE religion? Or some?

THE religion.

 RS> Islam needs to kick the asses of their radicals.

They won't.

 RS> The LDS kicked out their own radicals, like that Jeffs guy.

Warren Jeffs was never a member of the LDS Church.

 EH>> The LDS do not use idols or icons. We invite people to investigate and
 EH>> allow them to make their own choice whether they want to join or not.

 RS> Doesn't use icons or idols?

That's what I said.

 RS> So...what is the real story behind this "magic underwear" rumor?

There is no such thing as "magic underwear."

 RS> If your faith uses "sacred garments," that is an icon or idol.

You are clueless again.

 EH>>>> You don't have a clue. IOW, it is YOU who has nothing.

 RS>>> Remember this saying?
 RS>>> "Trust, but verify."

 EH>> And?

 RS>>> Who said this?

 EH>> Who cares?

 RS> Reagan.

And?

 RS>>> I don't have blind belief.

 EH>> Yes you do. You just don't recognize it.

 RS> Blind belief in what? Specifically?

Your blind belief in the possibility of dragons for one.

 RS>>> All you have is what your church's leaders tell you.

 EH>> I have the truth.

 RS> What you hope is the truth, and was told is the truth.

Again you are clueless.

Ed

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