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Skriven 2006-11-11 20:38:08 av MATT CLARK (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av LEE LOFASO
Ärende: Becoming A Christian
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-> Hello Matt,
-> 
-> >MC>The president of Iran said he wants to wipe Israel off the map.
-> 
-> >LL>Israel is not a legitimate state.
-> 
-> MC>That is the going opinion among fundamental muslims and their ->
supporters.
-> 
-> That is the going opinion of the vast majority of the world's
-> population.  Not just Muslims.
-> 
-> MC>Jews have been in that area just about as long as anyone else.
-> 
-> The land of Palestine belongs to the original inhabitants (today that
-> would be the descendants of those original inhabitants).

Some say that the indians are the original inhabitants of the 'Americas'.
So I guess we should all pack up and leave. Actually, if you feel that 
way the indians should get out because the oldest bones found on this
continent are caucasian.


->  Palestine has
-> been occupied by many peoples throughout the centuries.  And Jews were
-> not the first ones there.  

Being first to occupy a land doesn't automatically give you the right to
exclude others.

-> So who owns the land of Palestine?  

Jews and Palestinians. Jews are willing to share and have even given 
up may of their settlements to try and win the peace. All they get in 
return is unbridled hatred, terrorist attacks and kidnapings.

->While
-> it may be true that the Jews do have a legitimate claim to some of the
-> land of Palestine, it is not an exclusive claim.

No one said it was exclusive. If anyone thinks they have exclusive rights 
to that area it's the people who feel Israel should be wiped off the map.

->  Other peoples also
-> have a legitimate claim.

Like the Jews rightfully do.

-> 
-> >LL>Even Orthodox Jews agree on that matter.
-> 
-> MC>That is just totally ridiculous. How do you know?
-> 
-> I am very well-read on the subject.  And I have spoken to many Jews,
-> Muslims, and Christians on that subject.

 I too am very well read on this subject. And I too have spoken to many
Jews, Muslims, and Christians on that subject. Only the Muslims feel the
way you do.

-> 
-> >LL>IOW, Jews have replaced their religion with that of worshipping
-> >LL>a false god - that god being a political state.
-> 
-> MC>Hitler and Ossama couldn't have said it better.
-> 
-> Hitler was not Jewish.  And Osama is not Jewish.  But in some ways,
-> they were right.  Each in their own warped way.
-> 
-> >MC>Was Nick Berg being revered when they sawed off his head?
-> 
-> >LL>Nick Berg was an infidel.  I'm not saying he deserved to die.
-> >LL>But he was an infidel.
-> 
-> MC>In the eyes of Muslims, Christians and jews are infidels.
-> 
-> Infidels are those who do not believe in God.

Then why do Muslims slaughter each other like the Sunis and Shites are 
doing?
-> 
-> MC>You have muslim eyes.
-> 
-> So does Jesus.

Jesus lived 500 years before mohammed and the muslims.


-> 
-> MC>Do you think women should wear veils too?
-> 
-> Mary, the mother of Jesus, wore a veil.  Most Christian women, until
-> recently, wore veils.  And some Christian women still do.  Does that
-> make Christian women Muslims?

Why couldn't you answer the original question.


-> 
-> MC>should we cut off the hands of shoplifters? Should we beat women who
-> MC>cheat? Don't hand me the garbage that all societies believe it's
-> MC>right. Only Muslims think these things are justifed because of their
-> MC>religion.
-> 
-> Christians kill in the name of God all the time.  

No they don't.

Just like Muslims
-> and Jews.  

Wrong again.


Christians commit atrocities in the name of God all the time.

No they don't. All you can do is dig up some wild exception like Mcveigh.

-> Just like Muslims and Jews.

Half right.

->  Does that mean that God approves of what
-> Christians do?

Nope. Nor does it mean that allah is on their side only.


-> 
-> MC>The koran forbids muslims to be friends with Jews and Christians.
-> 
-> Muslims love everybody, including Christians and Jews.

Hahahahahahahahahaha  I guess that's why they blow each other up and put
bombs in mosques and at the market place VERY VERY often,

-> 
-> MC>They are not revered by muslims.
-> 
-> I have many friends who are Muslim.  And they love me.

Now you have many Muslim friends, and they ALL love you.

-> 
-> 
-> When the United Nations partitioned the land of Palestine, it was
-> to be divided into two parts, with the status of Jerusalem to be
-> decided upon at a later date.  One part of Palestine was to be for
-> Palestinian Jews, the other part for Palestinian Arabs.

Today Jews live in one part and the Palastiniasn live in another.


->  But only
-> the Jews received a country, having denied the other part to their
-> Muslim brethren.  As such, it is only Palestinian Arabs who are
-> wandering around without a country of their own.

They are not wandering. They live all over the place, like in Gaza, 
Jerusalem and Bethlehem.

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