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     Kommentar till en text av MATT CLARK
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Hello Matt,

>MC>The president of Iran said he wants to wipe Israel off the map.

>LL>Israel is not a legitimate state.

>MC>That is the going opinion among fundamental muslims and their
>MC>supporters.

>LL>That is the going opinion of the vast majority of the world's
>LL>population.  Not just Muslims.

>MC>Jews have been in that area just about as long as anyone else.

>LL>The land of Palestine belongs to the original inhabitants (today
>LL>that would be the descendants of those original inhabitants).

MC>Some say that the indians are the original inhabitants of the 'Americas'.
MC>So I guess we should all pack up and leave. Actually, if you feel that
MC>way the indians should get out because the oldest bones found on this
MC>continent are caucasian.

Some folks consider the European conquest of the Americas (especially
in relation to what is now the United States) to have been a genocide.

>LL>Palestine has been occupied by many peoples throughout the
>LL>centuries.  And Jews were not the first ones there.

MC>Being first to occupy a land doesn't automatically give you the right to
MC>exclude others.

Hitler had a right to invade and annex Austria/Poland/France/Etc.?

>LL>So who owns the land of Palestine?

MC>Jews and Palestinians. Jews are willing to share and have even given
MC>up may of their settlements to try and win the peace. All they get in
MC>return is unbridled hatred, terrorist attacks and kidnapings.

There has been far too much violence committed by both sides.  But
the vast majority of both peoples want peace.  Not continued violence
and war.  It is the leaders who are keeping the region in a perpetual
state of war, not the people.

>LL>While it may be true that the Jews do have a legitimate claim to
>LL>some of the land of Palestine, it is not an exclusive claim.

MC>No one said it was exclusive.

The Jewish leadership believes the Jews have an exclusive claim to all
of the land of Palestine.  And not just the land of Palestine, but all
of the land from the Mediterranean Sea to the Tigris and Euphrates.

MC>If anyone thinks they have exclusive rights to that area it's the
MC>people who feel Israel should be wiped off the map.

The Jewish leadership would like to wipe all Muslims off the face of
this earth.

>LL>Other peoples also have a legitimate claim.

MC>Like the Jews rightfully do.

The Jewish people have a *limited* claim to *some* of the land of
Palestine.  Other peoples also have a *limited* claim to *some* of
the land of Palestine.  No group or people have an exclusive claim
to all of the land of Palestine.

>LL>Even Orthodox Jews agree on that matter.

>MC>That is just totally ridiculous. How do you know?

>LL>I am very well-read on the subject.  And I have spoken to many Jews,
>LL>Muslims, and Christians on that subject.

MC>I too am very well read on this subject. And I too have spoken to many
MC>Jews, Muslims, and Christians on that subject. Only the Muslims feel the
MC>way you do.

Had you actually been "very well read on the subject" and had actually
"spoken to many Jews, Muslims, and Christians" then you would have known
that only fanatics and lunatics believe as you do.

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