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Skriven 2009-05-01 21:59:18 av Ed Hulett (1:123/789.0)
   Kommentar till text 5773 av Ross Cassell (1:123/456)
Ärende: It is the 1st.
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Ross Cassell -> Ed Hulett wrote:
 RC> Hello Ed!

 RC> 01 May 09 20:12, you wrote to me:

 EH>>>> Why Jeff? Dan is the one making things up. Jeff hasn't once
 EH>>>> mentioned Ceppa's family.

 RC>>> I was shown a quote where it was.

 EH>> Where what was?

 RC> Dans kids.

Jeff made no reference to Dan's kids. His comment was entirely rhetorical.

 RC>>> However the current feud involves them both.

 EH>> It's Ceppa all the way. No matter how many times you set him straight,
 EH>> he continually lies about what is told him.

 RC> and look at all the energy you all are expending to get him.

Get him? What echo are you reading? No one is trying to "get" Ceppa.

 EH>>>> How about the wild-eyed comments Ceppa has made about my choice
 EH>>>> of religion?

 RC>>> Good grief, have you forgotten about all the stuff that has
 RC>>> gotten said about any religion in this echoes heyday?

 EH>> I didn't participate much in the "heyday" of this echo. Why are you
 EH>> brining up stuff that is years old? I thought you said that is all
 EH>> water under the bridge and it shouldn't be discussed.

 RC> I tried not to eliminate the old elements of the old echo in deference
 RC> to its long time users.

Who, Ceppa and Sauer? Those are the only two who regularly post here.

 RC> What I tried to add in was instead of having the
 RC> echo as it once was, which was a place to belittle religion, I wanted
 RC> those of religion to be able to push back. You are holding you own,
 RC> quite well.

Push back? It isn't a wrestling match. It should be debate. Look at Wilson.
He'd love to discuss religion, but all he gets is Ceppa treating him like he
treats everyone who disagrees with him.

 RC>>> Why are you bitching now?

 EH>> Huh? I was led to believe this is a new echo by the moderator.

 RC> Except what lies underneath is to just get Danny.

Say what?!??!?

You have to be joking!

 RC> You cannot sit with a straight face and tell me that without him or even
 RC> Sauer in here, that many of you would have bothered to use this echo.

You can't read my mind. You don't know what I'd do.

 RC>>> You voluntarily enter a swamp and complain about the mosquitos?

 EH>> I don't mind the mosquitoes. It's the continual lies perpetrated by
 EH>> your co-moderator.

 RC> One persons lies is anothers truth,

Say what?

 RC> otherwards the person telling them
 RC> might actually believe them to be true.. Having said that, I will look
 RC> closer at his posts and others, today is the 1st you know, have you no
 RC> patience?

I've been waiting for several weeks now.

 M>>>>> The current back and forth, he said/he said/you are a liar
 M>>>>> debate is over.

 EH>>>> When will we see a retraction from Ceppa?

 RC>>> I suspect never.

 EH>> Then why on earth did you make him co-mod if he can't even follow the
 EH>> rules? Nor, apparently, do you expect him to.

 RC> The NEW rule set in its entirety took effect today. I applied a few
 RC> aspects of it early, like real names, he complied with that nearly
 RC> instantly factoring in echolag.

He is still using disparaging tag lines. The only difference is that he removed
the names. It isn't hard to tell who he's aiming them at, though. I'm the only
LDS here and he continues to use the same tag lines without my name in them.

 EH>>>> You chose Ceppa as your co-mod and you have to address a
 EH>>>> moderator message to him? Amazing.

 RC>>> I used to be his co-mod in POL_INC and he moderated me a time or
 RC>>> two in there,

 EH>> Oh, so it's all okay then?

 RC> Absolutely, he isnt perfect, neither are you and I.

No one is expecting perfection. Just maturity.

 RC>>> he moderated Gothreau in there as well, whom was he co-mod prior
 RC>>> to me.

 EH>> Ceppa likes to make up rules as he goes and he puts on his moderator
 EH>> cap when he gets in a corner and can't handle the truth.

 RC> You also forget that I added in a rule pertinent to moderator rulings,
 RC> he nor I can partake in replying to a message to continue the thread if
 RC> we intend to moderate the original author, or mix the two aspects in one
 RC> reply.

Huh? that has nothing to do with Ceppa's use of his moderator cap.

 RC> I think when I announced the new rule set, you and several others
 RC> selectively read through the announcement and didnt read the entire rule
 RC> set or when its effective date was.

I read it and I also have a text file of it on my two computers I access FIDO.

 RC>>> Why is it so hard for people to realize that a moderator is a
 RC>>> participant first before they are a moderator?

 EH>> Not in Ceppa's case. He will throw on his moderator cap whenever he
 EH>> can't handle the truth.

 RC> See above.

Ditto.

 RC>>> Honestly Ed, here is what I have gotten from both parties:

 EH>> Quit crying. You took on the echo voluntarily.

 RC> and you and others entered the echo voluntarily, see how that works?

No joke? Imagine that. And here I was led to believe I don't do anything
without my "handlers" or is it "gurus" telling me what to do.

 RC>>>  From Dan:

 RC>>> It is Jeff's fault

 RC>>>  From Jeff:

 RC>>> It is Dan's fault

 EH>> Why don't you actually read the threads in question and make up your
 EH>> own mind about it?

 RC> Yes, alot of projecting, I agree but there is something more to it Ed,
 RC> it is called Get Danny.

No it is not. Ceppa makes his own bed, let him sleep in it. You trying to act
as his nurse maid isn't becoming of you.

 RC>>> I suspect that both have a grain of truth in their claims.

 EH>> Again, make up your own mind instead of trying to be impartial.


 RC> Being impartial is a better position, however no matter which way I go,
 RC> no one is gonna be happy, everyone is a victim.

There is a limit to impartiality. How can you fairly moderate without
eventually making up your own mind?

 RC> I made Dan my co-mod because he was a long time member of this echo and
 RC> had an interest in the echo, I am not going to punish him on ANYONES say
 RC> so because of long standing grudges.

"Long standing grudges" have nothing to do with it. If Ceppa would discuss
religion honestly and maturely things would change in a heart beat. As it is,
Ceppa thinks it's his duty to disparage any and all believers. Then we have
Sauer following him like a puppy.

 RC> You once told me that no one makes you do anything, well guess what..

Tell Ceppa about it.

 RC> I will deal with Dans transgressions on my own terms, not yours.

I'm not wanting you to do anything "on [my] terms." I'm asking you to keep
yourself aware of what your co-mod is doing.

Ed

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