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Skriven 2009-12-31 17:02:35 av Ross Sauer (1:123/789.0)
   Kommentar till text 6524 av Ed Hulett (1:123/789.0)
Ärende: Was Jesus rich?
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"Ed Hulett -> Ross Sauer" <1:123/789.0> wrote in
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 EH>>> Good grief. Read the book, it tells you how good Joseph and
 EH>   Jesus were EH>> as wood workers. "Carpenter" is a misnomer, they
 EH>   were more carver and EH>> carpenter.

 RS>> The Bible does say how good they were?
 RS>> Show me.

 EH> Back then a tradesman was well respected and a woodworker was
 EH> considered among the best. One did not become a woodworker right off
 EH> the street, but had to go through years of apprenticeship.

Again, the Bible says how good they were?
Your exact quote: "Read the book, it tells you how good Joseph and
Jesus were as wood workers. "Carpenter" is a misnomer, they
were more carver and carpenter."

Where in the Bible does it say?

 TR>>>>> In the day of Jesus, pretty much as now, a skilled tradesman
 EH>>>   always TR>> has work, and makes a good living. Where the idea
 EH>   that EH>>   Jesus was TR>> `poor' came from is probably buried in
 EH>   antiquity. But EH>>   skilled TR>> carpenters are rarely, if ever,
 EH>   `poor'.

 RS>>>> Thing is Jesus gave up the trade to go "on the road."

 EH>>> He was on the road for 3 years.

 RS>> I know. 3 years, POSSIBLY.
 RS>> He may have gone on the road before that and it was never
 EH>   written about.

 EH> His ministry spanned 3 years.

That you know of.

 RS>>>> So how much ready cash did he have at hand?

 EH>>> He didn't take much cash at all. Read the story of the young
 EH>   rich man EH>> to understand it. Jesus told the young man to sell all
 EH>   his property EH>> and give the money to the poor not because Jesus
 EH>   was teaching him that EH>> he must be poor to follow Him, but that
 EH>   he could not have two masters.

 RS>> I remember that story.
 RS>> Too bad Pat Robertson forgot it.

 EH> Your knickers knot up whenever you think of Pat Robertson.

Robertson is a corrupt fake Christian.
And even after he's dead, his family will continue spreading his gospel
of hatred and lies.

(Not to mention Robertson using his TV pulpit to sell just about
anything...)

 EH>>> The lesson is that one cannot love wealth and God at the same
 EH>   time.

 RS>> Tell that to the Prosperity Preachers.

 EH> Why should I? I have no need to.

 EH>>> I know several people who are devout Christians and are
 EH>   wealthy. The EH>> consecrated all their possessions to the service
 EH>   of the Lord, helping EH>> those less fortunate when the need arises.
 EH>   God does not want you to be EH>> poor, but He also does not want you
 EH>   to be so caught up in gaining EH>> material wealth that you forget
 EH>   where it all comes from.

 RS>> "Consecrated all their possesions to the Lord?"
 RS>> How do they do that?

 EH> They admit that all they have is God's and that they use it in His
 EH> service. IOW, they willingly share it with those in need when the need
 EH> arises. I explained it quite well already. Your inability to
 EH> understand what I said isn't my problem.

They may have "consecrated their stuff to the Lord," but in reality it
goes to the church.

 RS>>>> Some of these "Prosperity Preachers" say he had a lot.

 EH>>> He was comfortable, but not wealthy like those preachers claim.
 EH>   Again, EH>> the story of the young rich man is an example.

 EH>>> It's a case of priorities.

 RS>> And the priorities of far too many national and/or TV preachers
 EH>   is RS> gaining wealth for themselves.

 EH> You know this... how?

Ever see a poor TV preacher?

Just go to Trinity Broadcast Network, with their fancy clothes, big hair
and sitting on golden thrones.
I'm serious. GOLDEN thrones.

 EH> Jim and Tammy Fay Bakker were an example of what you claim with gold
 EH> plated bathroom fixtures and such.

At least Tammy dumped her corrupt husband, and did some good before she
died of cancer.

 RS>> Jerry Falwell even kissed up to Moon, who he had previously
 EH>   condemned, RS> when he wanted to keep his TV ministry going but not
 EH>   cut his own and his RS> cronies' salaries.

 EH> Falwell is dead.

His brat...I mean son is carrying on in Jerry's footsteps, complete with
hatred, lies, and constantly begging for money.

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