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Skriven 2009-12-31 17:49:15 av Ed Hulett (1:123/789.0)
   Kommentar till text 6525 av Ross Sauer (1:123/789.0)
Ärende: Was Jesus rich?
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Ross Sauer -> Ed Hulett wrote:
 RS> "Ed Hulett -> Ross Sauer" <1:123/789.0> wrote in
 RS> news:10661$HOLYSMOKE@JamNNTPd:

 EH>>>> Good grief. Read the book, it tells you how good Joseph and
 EH>>   Jesus were EH>> as wood workers. "Carpenter" is a misnomer, they
 EH>>   were more carver and EH>> carpenter.

 RS>>> The Bible does say how good they were?
 RS>>> Show me.

 EH>> Back then a tradesman was well respected and a woodworker was
 EH>> considered among the best. One did not become a woodworker right off
 EH>> the street, but had to go through years of apprenticeship.

 RS> Again, the Bible says how good they were?
 RS> Your exact quote: "Read the book, it tells you how good Joseph and
 RS> Jesus were as wood workers. "Carpenter" is a misnomer, they
 RS> were more carver and carpenter."

 RS> Where in the Bible does it say?

Just the fact that it says Joseph was a wood worker says he was a skilled
craftsman. He was also a man of property.

 TR>>>>>> In the day of Jesus, pretty much as now, a skilled tradesman
 EH>>>>   always TR>> has work, and makes a good living. Where the idea
 EH>>   that EH>>   Jesus was TR>> `poor' came from is probably buried in
 EH>>   antiquity. But EH>>   skilled TR>> carpenters are rarely, if ever,
 EH>>   `poor'.

 RS>>>>> Thing is Jesus gave up the trade to go "on the road."

 EH>>>> He was on the road for 3 years.

 RS>>> I know. 3 years, POSSIBLY.
 RS>>> He may have gone on the road before that and it was never
 EH>>   written about.

 EH>> His ministry spanned 3 years.

 RS> That you know of.

If his ministry spanned more than 3 years, the Bible would say so.

 RS>>>>> So how much ready cash did he have at hand?

 EH>>>> He didn't take much cash at all. Read the story of the young
 EH>>   rich man EH>> to understand it. Jesus told the young man to sell all
 EH>>   his property EH>> and give the money to the poor not because Jesus
 EH>>   was teaching him that EH>> he must be poor to follow Him, but that
 EH>>   he could not have two masters.

 RS>>> I remember that story.
 RS>>> Too bad Pat Robertson forgot it.

 EH>> Your knickers knot up whenever you think of Pat Robertson.

 RS> Robertson is a corrupt fake Christian.
 RS> And even after he's dead, his family will continue spreading his gospel
 RS> of hatred and lies.

Again, your knickers knot up every time you think of Robertson.

 RS> (Not to mention Robertson using his TV pulpit to sell just about
 RS> anything...)

I wouldn't know, I don't watch him.

 EH>>>> The lesson is that one cannot love wealth and God at the same
 EH>>   time.

 RS>>> Tell that to the Prosperity Preachers.

 EH>> Why should I? I have no need to.

 EH>>>> I know several people who are devout Christians and are
 EH>>   wealthy. The EH>> consecrated all their possessions to the service
 EH>>   of the Lord, helping EH>> those less fortunate when the need arises.
 EH>>   God does not want you to be EH>> poor, but He also does not want you
 EH>>   to be so caught up in gaining EH>> material wealth that you forget
 EH>>   where it all comes from.

 RS>>> "Consecrated all their possesions to the Lord?"
 RS>>> How do they do that?

 EH>> They admit that all they have is God's and that they use it in His
 EH>> service. IOW, they willingly share it with those in need when the need
 EH>> arises. I explained it quite well already. Your inability to
 EH>> understand what I said isn't my problem.

 RS> They may have "consecrated their stuff to the Lord," but in reality it
 RS> goes to the church.

Nonsense! They help the poor directly! I've seen it. What they give to the
church in tithing is used to help the poor as well. You don't know a thing
about the people I refer to other than what I have said. Nor do you know
anything about how my Church works - where tithing goes or how it is used. The
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has the most successful welfare
program on earth. Several governments including the US government have studied
the LDS welfare program in attempts to make their's better.

 RS>>>>> Some of these "Prosperity Preachers" say he had a lot.

 EH>>>> He was comfortable, but not wealthy like those preachers claim.
 EH>>   Again, EH>> the story of the young rich man is an example.

 EH>>>> It's a case of priorities.

 RS>>> And the priorities of far too many national and/or TV preachers
 EH>>   is RS> gaining wealth for themselves.

 EH>> You know this... how?

 RS> Ever see a poor TV preacher?

No, but I haven't watched or paid attention to many TV preachers.

 RS> Just go to Trinity Broadcast Network, with their fancy clothes, big hair
 RS> and sitting on golden thrones.
 RS> I'm serious. GOLDEN thrones.

I doubt their "thrones" are made of gold. Maybe wood with gold leaf.

 EH>> Jim and Tammy Fay Bakker were an example of what you claim with gold
 EH>> plated bathroom fixtures and such.

 RS> At least Tammy dumped her corrupt husband, and did some good before she
 RS> died of cancer.

Good for her.

 RS>>> Jerry Falwell even kissed up to Moon, who he had previously
 EH>>   condemned, RS> when he wanted to keep his TV ministry going but not
 EH>>   cut his own and his RS> cronies' salaries.

 EH>> Falwell is dead.

 RS> His brat...I mean son is carrying on in Jerry's footsteps, complete with
 RS> hatred, lies, and constantly begging for money.

I wouldn't know, I don't pay attention to them. If they really knot up your
knickers, maybe you should ignore them. I can't understand why you spend so
much energy ranting about them. It has to do with your immature concentration
on other people and not ideas.

Ed

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