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Skriven 2007-02-11 17:47:24 av ROSS SAUER (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av ED HULETT
Ärende: Christian fascists?
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->  RS>>> One of the articles is here:
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->  RS>>> http://www.alternet.org/story/47679/
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->  RS>>> To be quite honest, I think this guy is presenting a "worst case
->  RS>>> scenario.
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->  EH>> The guy has no earthly clue. He is trivializing fascism by trying
to
->  EH>> equate Christian Conservativism to it.
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->  EH>> There is no comparisan between the two.
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->  RS> Depends on which Christian conservatives one looks at.
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->  EH>> Now, if he was trying to make the case that *some* Christian
->  EH>> Conservatives want a theocracy, he might have a point. But, when
he
->  EH>> makes the leap from Christain Conservatism to fascism, he is tring
to
->  EH>> promote his agenda. And his aganda is to marginalize Christain
->  EH>> Conservatives.
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->  RS> I'd suggest looking up "Christian reconstructionism" or
"Dominionism."
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->  RS> The late RJ Rushdoony was pretty much the founder of this movement.
->  RS> And some current politicians *DO* subscribe to this movement.
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-> You haven't a clue what fascism is, do you?

And you haven't a clue as to what theocracy is.
Just look at Saudi Arabia and Iran.
BOTH theocracies, and both fascist-type governments.

But let's take a look at back here in the US.

Very powerful figures in the U.S. ruling class are proponents of this
program. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, one of Bush’s favorites and
possible replacement for Chief Justice Rehnquist, has written that
"government...derives its moral authority from God. It is the ‘minister of
God’ with powers to ‘revenge,’ to ‘execute wrath,’ including even wrath by
the sword."

In a speech at Christian fundamentalist Bob Jones University, former
Attorney General John Ashcroft declared, "Unique among the nations, America
recognized the source of our character as being godly and eternal, not
being civic and temporal....we have no King but Jesus." He called the
separation of church and state "a wall of religious oppression."

A leading organizer of this movement writes that "Christians have an
obligation, a mandate, a commission, a holy responsibility to reclaim the
land for Jesus Christ — to have dominion in civil structures, just as in
every other aspect of life and godliness.... World conquest. That’s what
Christ has commissioned us to accomplish." (George Grant, The Changing of
the Guard, Biblical Principles for Political Action , pp. 50- 51

Falwell Wants Dominionist In White House 

Reuters yesterday had a very interesting look at Christian dominionist
Jerry Falwell and his ongoing campaign to create a theocratic state in
America.

DALLAS (Reuters) - His influence may be diminished but his zeal is undaunted.
Evangelist Jerry Falwell is on a mission to keep a like-minded Republican in
the White House and get at least one more conservative judge on the Supreme
Court.

Despite his years in the trenches of America's culture wars, Falwell -- who
founded the Moral Majority political movement in 1979 and helped propel the
rise of the religious right -- said a major victory in his broader crusade
to restore the country's moral righteousness has so far eluded him.

With abortion still legal, prayer banned in public schools and pornography
rife, he sees a long struggle ahead. For now, he is focusing on voter
registration drives and rallying the faithful with his eyes on the twin
prizes of the 2008 presidential election and control of the Supreme Court. 

Some of his statements -- he famously blamed gays and lesbians for
provoking the September 11 attacks -- have eroded some of his conservative
support base. But he remains a rallying figure on the far U.S. right.

"I think we got the social and moral issues on the front burner. But while
we have made progress ... we have not won any of the battles yet," Falwell
told Reuters in an interview.

"It is a long road back. We are at least one U.S. Supreme Court Justice
short of a socially conservative court," Falwell said on the sidelines of
an evangelist conference in Dallas.
People like Falwell are, to my mind, far more of a danger to liberty and
freedom here in the US than any number of Al Qaida terrorists. After all,
the chances of a member of Al Qaeda ever sitting in the Oval Office are
pretty slim whereas Falwell and the like have serious political clout on
the far right of the Republican Party. Serious GOP presidential contenders
like John McCain and Mitt Romney are already courting Falwell and other
dominionists for their support.

What does their granting that support to the dominionist religious right
entail? Well, some progress towards their agenda, of course. And they
describe that agenda in their own words far better than I ever could.
Theocracy Watch has collected many of their utterances.

D. James Kennedy, Pastor of Coral Ridge Ministries, “Reclaiming America for
Christö conference in February, 2005. Our job is to reclaim America for
Christ, whatever the cost. As the vice regents of God, we are to exercise
godly dominion and influence over our neighborhoods, our schools, our
government, our literature and arts, our sports arenas, our entertainment
media, our news media, our scientific endeavors — in short, over every
aspect and institution of human society.

Christian Coalition field director, Bill Thomson, You’re going to run over
them. Get around them, run over the top of them, destroy them - whatever
you need to do so that God’s word is the word that is being practiced in
Congress, town halls and state legislatures. That’s your job.

Representative John Hostetler, R-IN, Christian Coalition Speech: “When the
courts make unconstitutional decisions, we should not enforce them,ö he
told attendees. “Federal courts have no army or navy.. The court can opine,
decide, talk about, sing, whatever it wants to do. We’re not saying they
can’t do that. At the end of the day, we’re saying the court can’t enforce
its opinions.ö 

Joseph Morecraft, pastor of the Reconstructionist Chalcedon Presbyterian
Church in Marietta, Georgia: “Nobody has the right to worship on this
planet any other God than Jehovah. And therefore the state does not have
the responsibility to defend anybody’s pseudo-right to worship an idol!ö

Gary North, Institute for Christian Economics, “So let us be blunt about
it: we must use the doctrine of religious liberty to gain independence for
Christian schools until we train up a generation of people who know that
there is no religious neutrality, no neutral law, no neutral education, and
no neutral civil government. Then they will get busy in constructing a
Bible-based social, political and religious order which finally denies the
religious liberty of the enemies of God.ö

George Grant, a leading dominionist writer in “The Changing of the Guard,
Biblical Principles for Political Actionö: Christians have an obligation, a
mandate, a commission, a holy responsibility to reclaim the land for Jesus
Christ — to have dominion in civil structures, just as in every other
aspect of life and godliness. But it is dominion we are after. Not just a
voice. It is dominion we are after. Not just influence. It is dominion we
are after. Not just equal time. It is dominion we are after. World
conquest. That’s what Christ has commissioned us to accomplish. We must win
the world with the power of the Gospel. And we must never settle for
anything less… Thus, Christian politics has as its primary intent the
conquest of the land — of men, families, institutions, bureaucracies,
courts, and governments for the Kingdom of Christ.

Reconstructionist theologian David Chilton Our goal is world dominion under
Christ’s lordship, a world “take overö if you will.

Jerry Falwell, 1999: “[T]hese perverted homosexuals.absolutely hate
everything that you and I and most decent, God-fearing citizens stand for.
Make no mistake. These deviants seek no less than total control and
influence in society, politics, our schools and in our exercise of free
speech and religious freedom..If we do not act now, homosexuals will own
America!ö

Pat Robertson, Christian Coalition, "It’s going to be a spiritual battle.
There will be Satanic forces…. We are not going to be coming up just
against human beings, to beat them in elections. We’re going to be coming
up against spiritual warfare.ö

David Limbaugh, “we have a right, indeed an obligation to govern.ö 

Pledge recited at “Reclaiming America For Christö conference: “I pledge
allegiance to the Christian flag, and to the Savior for whose kingdom it
stands. One Savior, crucified, risen and coming again, with life and
liberty for all who believe.ö

http://cernigsnewshog.blogspot.com/2007/02/falwell-wants-dominionist-in-white.html


Now substitute "Allah" for "God" or "Jesus Christ," and you'll see
precisely what I mean.

If you don't, you're stupider than I thought
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