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Skriven 2006-05-10 17:19:00 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
   Kommentar till text 1074 av Vladimir Donskoy (2:5020/2992)
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Hello Vladimir.

10 May 06 16:03, you wrote to me:

 MV>> 1) FidoNet owes its success to its modest bandwith requirements
 MV>> and efficient use of it. Pictures and other whistles and bells
 MV>> however require a broadband InterNet connection. So for people to
 MV>> participate they need an adsl or cable connection. But when they
 MV>> have that, they no longer have need for Fido. Bringing Fdio
 MV>> closer to InterNet has always led to loss of FidoNet members.

 VD> Echoes with big traffic - pictures and movies - each sysop can
 VD> subscribe or not, also as UUE-echoes now.

Of course. But theos with only a 14k4 modem connection won't subscribe would
they?

 MV>> 2) You are reinventing the wheel. There is plenty of stuff around
 MV>> that already offers all the whistles and bells: usenet, msm,
 MV>> napster, you name it.

 VD> I wrote there - best of FIDO verse Internet is controlling

Hmmm. some would say control is one of the BAD sides of Fidonet...

 VD> and moderating, and un-anonymousing in FIDO. Do you understand me?

Sure I understand you. But you will find that Fiodo over IP is a mixed
blessing. It gave us the power to free us from conTrol freaks and get our
eChomail where we want. The downside is that moderating international areas
like these has become next to impossible as it is next to impossible to cut the
feed of a determined and knowledgible user. You can see it demonstrated right
here.

As for the real name issue, since I discovered that many so called
international echos are gated into the InterNet and its content is indexed by
the search engines, I am having second thoughts about it. I am not all that
enthousiastic about finding on the InterNet what I wrote five years ago in
Fido: under my real name...

 VD>>> This project is discuss to echoes Ru.FTN.Develop, Ru.FTN.WinSoft
 VD>>> and Ru.Fidonet.Today - only Russian language, but you can write
 VD>>> there... Author of this is Sergey Sokoloff 2:5063/88.

 MV>> Soory I can not read Russian ad I am to old to learn it.

 VD> I wrote that you can wrote there in English, and samebody answer to
 VD> you on English.

Actually you did not write that, but it is all right. maybe I will show up one
of these days... ;-)

 VD> === Begin Windows Clipboard ===
 VD> On the contrary, in FIDONET there are two advantages which favourably
 VD> distinguish this network. The first advantage I shall name purposeful
 VD> moderate echo conferences owing to which in FIDONET there is less than
 VD> offtopic, rather than in the majority of forums of the Web, and it is
 VD> much more than politeness and mutual respect.

Yeah, I know these blurbs. What you describe is how it *was*. Connect FIDONEWS
or FN_SYSOP and see how it is now. :-(

 VD> Second advantage FIDONET is basic absence of any necessity for
 VD> continuous connection of the user to the Network:

Yes, that is how it was designed. But with a continues connection, it works a
lot better...

 VD> in FIDONET absolutely there is no unnecessary haste and consequently
 VD> the majority of messages left here shine thoroughness and
 VD> reasonableness, open a theme and express an idea much
 VD> more full, rather than complete (force) brief messages in the Web, and
 VD> the more so retorts of a chat.

Again: that is how it *was*....


Michiel

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