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Skriven 2006-05-11 11:48:03 av Vladimir Donskoy (2:5020/2992)
   Kommentar till text 1086 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
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Hi Michiel!

Wednesday May 10 2006, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Vladimir Donskoy:

 MV>>> 1) FidoNet owes its success to its modest bandwith requirements
 MV>>> and efficient use of it. Pictures and other whistles and bells
 MV>>> however require a broadband InterNet connection. So for people to
 MV>>> participate they need an adsl or cable connection. But when they
 MV>>> have that, they no longer have need for Fido. Bringing Fdio
 MV>>> closer to InterNet has always led to loss of FidoNet members.

 VD>> Echoes with big traffic - pictures and movies - each sysop can
 VD>> subscribe or not, also as UUE-echoes now.

 MV> Of course. But theos with only a 14k4 modem connection won't subscribe
 MV> would they?

They can read this, but very slow (or only favorite messages). Now they can use
e-mail, so - it's possible. Not good, but possible.

 MV>>> 2) You are reinventing the wheel. There is plenty of stuff around
 MV>>> that already offers all the whistles and bells: usenet, msm,
 MV>>> napster, you name it.

 VD>> I wrote there - best of FIDO verse Internet is controlling

 MV> Hmmm. some would say control is one of the BAD sides of Fidonet...

This is demand for un-anonymousing of FIDO members. If you have one address on
all (everything) - you status by control from *Cs who assign this address to
you.

 VD>> and moderating, and un-anonymousing in FIDO. Do you understand me?

 MV> Sure I understand you. But you will find that Fiodo over IP is a mixed
 MV> blessing. It gave us the power to free us from conTrol freaks and get our
 MV> eChomail where we want. The downside is that moderating international
 MV> areas like these has become next to impossible as it is next to impossible
 MV> to cut the feed of a determined and knowledgible user. You can see it
 MV> demonstrated right here.

 MV> As for the real name issue, since I discovered that many so called
 MV> international echos are gated into the InterNet and its content is indexed
 MV> by the search engines, I am having second thoughts about it. I am not all
 MV> that enthousiastic about finding on the InterNet what I wrote five years
 MV> ago in Fido: under my real name...

Yes but this gates only FIDO-to-Internet, not return back (at commnon case). So
- mail from Internet to FIDO is difficult.

 VD>>>> This project is discuss to echoes Ru.FTN.Develop, Ru.FTN.WinSoft
 VD>>>> and Ru.Fidonet.Today - only Russian language, but you can write
 VD>>>> there... Author of this is Sergey Sokoloff 2:5063/88.

 MV>>> Soory I can not read Russian ad I am to old to learn it.

 VD>> I wrote that you can wrote there in English, and samebody answer to
 VD>> you on English.

 MV> Actually you did not write that, but it is all right. maybe I will show up
 MV> one of these days... ;-)

OK.

 VD>> === Begin Windows Clipboard ===
 VD>> On the contrary, in FIDONET there are two advantages which favourably
 VD>> distinguish this network. The first advantage I shall name purposeful
 VD>> moderate echo conferences owing to which in FIDONET there is less
 VD>> than offtopic, rather than in the majority of forums of the Web, and
 VD>> it is much more than politeness and mutual respect.

 MV> Yeah, I know these blurbs. What you describe is how it *was*. Connect
 MV> FIDONEWS or FN_SYSOP and see how it is now. :-(

I read many our echoes and I see this moderate status - it is very good.
May be moderators in these echoes are absent or no working?

 VD>> Second advantage FIDONET is basic absence of any necessity for
 VD>> continuous connection of the user to the Network:

 MV> Yes, that is how it was designed. But with a continues connection, it
 MV> works a lot better...

Yes, but this is not necessary.

 VD>> in FIDONET absolutely there is no unnecessary haste and consequently
 VD>> the majority of messages left here shine thoroughness and
 VD>> reasonableness, open a theme and express an idea much
 VD>> more full, rather than complete (force) brief messages in the Web,
 VD>> and the more so retorts of a chat.

 MV> Again: that is how it *was*....

I see this now, so - _is_.

Regards, Vladimir Donskoy

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