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Text 1821, 229 rader
Skriven 2006-06-19 09:07:37 av Roy Witt (1:1/22)
   Kommentar till text 1818 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: CopyRight Ownership Arguement
=====================================
19 Jun 06 09:32, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Roy Witt:

 MvdV>>> Sure, they do that all the time. They love cutting people's
 MvdV>>> accounts.
 RW>> Especially when those people are abusing the service they swore
 RW>> they'd abide by.
 MvdV> Abusing?

Yeup.

 MvdV> He was using the service for what it is meant: tie a doamin name to
 MvdV> an IP address.

Where he makes available, copyrighted material.

 MvdV> Everything else took place on his own server.

Which he associated with DynDns by using their service.

 MvdV> And I don't think there was any sworing either.

When you click on 'I agree' at the bottom of the The Terms of Service, one
has sworn to abide by those terms. If you don't agree, then you don't get
the service. Since he was using it, he must have agreed to the ToS.

 MvdV>>>>> This Felten seems a good one for today. Snap!"
 RW>>>> 'cause he's got all these copyright movies on his system,
 MvdV>>> Movies? Are you sure there are copyrighted movies on his system?
 RW>> I was positive, until he password protected them. Still, the titles
 RW>> he displays must be copyright too.
 MvdV> The *titles* are copyrighted?
 MvdV> ROFLASTIC!

Yeup.

 MvdV>>>  I ask because I don't see any, so maybe I am missing something.
 RW>> You miss a lot, don't you.  I doubt that the movie rights to "The
 RW>> Last Sumari" starring Tom Cruise, aren't copyrighted. Just to name
 RW>> one.
 MvdV> Well, I don't see that movie there, let alone that it is
 MvdV> downloadable.

I've seen it there. Before a password was needed to download it, and the
link is still there. BTW, I watched that movie last night. It's owned by
MGM studios, who also own the copyright to it.

 RW>>>> and HEY, look there, he's also got a complete collection of
 RW>>>> Playboy Centerfold pictures.
 MvdV>>> Complete? Hardly, the last ten years are missing.
 RW>> Not according to his "Centerfold" list. 2006-2002=4 years...
 MvdV> Have you actually downloaded any of those pictures? If not, how do
 MvdV> you know the list is accurate?

I guess you've never seen a playboy centerfold picture before.

 MvdV>>>>> Sure Roy, sure, that is how it happened.
 RW>>>> Not likely...
 MvdV>>> Indeed not likely.
 RW>> Let's not take it out of context.
 MvdV> The context was "snitching".

That isn't what I was talking about.

 MvdV>>>  *Very* unlikely I say. Someone put them on the trail. An you are
 MvdV>>> in the top three on my list of suspects.
 RW>> I wish that it was me,
 MvdV> You regret someone lese beat you to it?

I don't regret anything.

 RW>>  but alas, I told somebody else about it and wallah.
 MvdV> And that "someone" wouldn't be somenone working at dysndns?

No, that was you.

 RW>> You see, he's made more than one or two enemies in his stay here.
 MvdV> Oh sure, you rae not the only suspect on the list. You are not even
 MvdV> number one.

Ever hear of collusion?

 RW>>>> but let's put this shoe on your other foot.
 RW>>>> Are you advocating that online businesses allow software pirates
 RW>>>> like Felten to break the law using the services provided by
 RW>>>> them, which is clearly in violation of their 'terms of service'
 RW>>>> ?

 MvdV>>> I say it is wrong for anyone or anything to attempt to impose
 MvdV>>> their laws on the citizens of another country.
 RW>> I'd say you are a software and copyright pirate,

 MvdV> Your opinion is noted. I still say it is wrong for anyone oir
 MvdV> anything to attempt to impose their laws and morals on the citizens
 MvdV> of another country. And I will continue to say that as long as I
 MvdV> have the breath to do it.

That's fine. Just don't be surprised when they come knocking on your door.

 MvdV>>> They should leave the law of other countries to those in charge
 MvdV>>> of enforcing those laws.
 RW>> Would you prefer that the mafia enforce them?
 MvdV> Have you stopped beating your wife yet?

She beats me...is that ok with you?

 MvdV>>> If that brings them in conflict with their own laws they should
 MvdV>>> not accept foreign customers to begin with.
 RW>> If the pirates were to not distribute material belonging to someone
 RW>> else, the world would be that much better off.
 MvdV> If the copyright mafia would not claim rights that were never
 MvdV> theirs in the first place the world would be a much better place.

Fortunately, they don't claim that which isn't theirs, just the stuff that
is.

 RW>> Theives should not only be punished by imprisonment, they should
 RW>> suffer Islamic theft laws.

 MvdV> Be careful what you wish for. The US empire won't last forever.

According to my sources, it will be around long after everyone here is
long gone.

 MvdV> You may live to see it fall and the rightful owners of the oil that
 MvdV> was stolen from them in Irak and other places may be beating on
 MvdV> your door to do to you what you now wish to others....

LOL! That's merely wishful thinking on your part. It won't happen, ever.

 RW>>>> Before you stuff both feet into your big mouth, keep in mind
 RW>>>> that DynDns.org is a US based company doing business within the
 RW>>>> USA where such software violations as we've seen on the Felon's
 RW>>>> website, is against the law.

 MvdV>>> I am aware of that. I am also aware the as it is a free
 MvdV>>> service, the customer does not have much of a bargaining
 MvdV>>> position.

 RW>> As a paying customer, I don't have any more right to violate
 RW>> copyright law than the freeloaders do.

 MvdV> Law enforcement is not the job of the supplier of the goods or
 MvdV> services.

Dropping a copyright pirate is.

 MvdV> It is not for them to judge if law were broken and it is
 MvdV> not their job to enforce laws.

As a provider of a certain service, they are required to know the law.
Ignorance is no excuse.

 MvdV>  As a paying customer I am in the position to demand that hey do
 MvdV> not Interfere with how I use the tools that I buy from them.

And if you abuse their service, they have a right to correct that abuse.
The easiest way is to disconnect you from that service.

 MvdV> The hardware store does not check on what I do with the axe I
 MvdV> bought from them either don't they?

If you use that axe on their property in a way not deemed by them to be
proper, they can expel you or have you arrested. When you leave their
premises with the axe, you are under a different set of rules in how you
use it. Are you an axe murderer?

 MvdV>>> All that leaves unchanged that we have a snitch in our midst.
 MvdV>>> Or more than one.

 RW>> I think the fate of copyright violators should be shooting by firing
 RW>> squad, composed of those they've stolen from.

 MvdV> I think that those attempting to impose their laws and morals on
 MvdV> others should be fed some of their own medicine. For you that would
 MvdV> be your Camaro impounded an run through the compactor for waisting
 MvdV> this planet's scarce resources.

LOL! You're really a crazy bastard, aren't you.

 MvdV> You will not be allowed to shave yourself from now on.

I don't now.

 MvdV> You will have your right hand cut off

No, that's reserved for copyright thieves under Islamic law...

 MvdV>  for being an accomplish in stealing from third world countries.

I haven't accomplished that, nor am I an accomplice.

 MvdV> Your wife shall wear a burka whenever she appears in public view
 MvdV> and she shall not speak to any other man on the penalty of death.

That too is reserved for copyright thieves under Islamic law.

 MvdV> You shall not use toilet paper.

I use a bidet and warm air.

 MvdV> You shall not bath during a full moon.

Heavens no, I'm not heathen either.

 MvdV> You shall hand over all your guns and if yo are ever cuaght in
 MvdV> firing a gun again you righat hand shall be cut off. If you no
 MvdV> longer have a right hand, your left hand will be cut off.

I'll shoot the first sob who tries it.

 MvdV> You shall not have sex with overaged women. Overaged women being
 MvdV> women who can no longer have childeren. The legal limit is set at
 MvdV> 45 years. Violation is punishable by castration. A second offence
 MvdV> is punishable by death. You shall not even *think* about having sex
 MvdV> with overaged women. And be warned that there are police officers
 MvdV> posing as overaged women all around trying to frame you.

 MvdV> You shall have one women and one woman only. You shall have sex
 MvdV> with that women and only with that woman. You shall not use condoms
 MvdV> or any other meand that interfere with procreation. The punishment
 MvdV> is to be banished from heaven.

You are one crazy sob...in fact, this conversation is so onesided crazy,
I'll not participate in it any longer...buh bye lozer.


Roy
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