Text 940, 82 rader
Skriven 2006-05-06 10:20:42 av Vladimir Donskoy (2:5020/2992)
    Kommentar till text 931 av Roy Witt (1:1/22)
Ärende: Re: Situation on R2:50
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Hi Roy!

Friday May 05 2006, Roy Witt wrote to Vladimir Donskoy:

 VD>>>> Policy have information about elections only 3 places:
 VD>>>> 1.2.5 - "Zone Coordinators are selected by the Regional
 VD>>>> Coordinators in that zone."
 RW>>> The word 'selected' means the same as appointed. Not elected.

 VD>> Who can "appoint" ZC? So - it is elections... But means I understand.

 RW> The RCs in council choose and appoint the ZC, they're known as the RCC.
 RW> They vote, but it's not an election per se', it's a selection.

OK, "RCC" is your term.

 VD>>>> 6.2 - "The Zone Coordinator is selected by an absolute majority
 VD>>>> vote of the Regional Coordinators within the zone."
 RW>>> The word 'selected' means the same as appointed. Not elected.
 VD>>>> 7.2 - "The International Coordinator is selected (or removed) by an
 VD>>>> absolute majority vote of the Zone Coordinators."
 RW>>> The word 'selected' means the same as appointed. Not elected.
 VD>>>> Another cases of elections is absent in Policy...
 RW>>> That's because there are no *C elections mentioned in policy. Only
 RW>>> selections.
 VD>>>> So - 8.6 is one of the points with text of elections (system of *Cs
 VD>>>> election).
 RW>>> No, there is nothing mentioned about the (s)election of any *C in
 RW>>> that section. 8.6 deals with a policy change and only a policy
 RW>>> change.

 VD>> No, it's wrong.

 RW> I think I'm more qualified at reading and comprehending the English
 RW> language than someone who's native tongue isn't English. I say there is no
 RW> reference to elections, nor selections of *Cs in that section of policy.

May be, OK.

 VD>>>> Note - all of them are "selected", not "elected"! I am not sure in
 VD>>>> different this words, and think that "elect" is "select by votes".
 RW>>> Selected means that an NC is appointed by their RC, who in turn is
 RW>>> appointed by their ZC. And in turn, the RCC selects and appoints the
 RW>>> ZC.
 VD>> Appoint can make by only high power level, so ZC can be appoint only
 VD>> by IC (or ZCC).

 RW> Only by RCC. The IC has nothing to do with it and is merely another ZC and
 RW> is equal, but not higher than the rest of the ZCs, per policy.

So - it is impossible: RCC of Z2 not want any changes... It want only same RCs,
so - election Z2C by these RCs will start splitting of zone. :-(


But Policy 1.2.7 write: "The International Coordinator acts as the chair of the
Zone Coordinator Council and as the overseer of _elections_ -- arranging the
announcement of referenda, the collection and counting of the ballots, and
announcing the results for those issues that affect FidoNet as a whole."

What "elections" it mean?

 RW>>> There are no *C elections mentioned in Fidonet policy.
 RW>>> Voting, as in P4, section 8.6 is for policy changes and policy
 RW>>> changes only. You may be thinking of 8.2 - 8.3, which is used in the
 RW>>> case of an impeachment proceeding, as mentioned in 8.7.2, but it's
 RW>>> only a guideline.

 VD>> 8.7.2 say "election" ("by votes") (because this is process of
 VD>> changing ZC), and procedure as 8 . So - it is a single sample of
 VD>> "elections" in P4.

 RW> That section of policy is solely used for a referandum to impeach (put on
 RW> trial) and possibly remove a ZC by that region's RCC. It is not, I repeat,
 RW> not an election nor a selection of a new one.

Yes, so impeach maked like by "election procedure".


Regards, Vladimir Donskoy

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