Text 146, 90 rader
Skriven 2004-09-28 07:38:08 av Maurice Kinal (1:153/401.1)
    Kommentar till text 144 av MICHEL SAMSON (1:10/345)
Ärende: BBBS UpLoad
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Hey MICHEL!

Sep 28 09:00 04, MICHEL SAMSON wrote to MAURICE KINAL:

 MS>      It turns out that i complied, obtained ludicrous results and, 
 MS> after
 MS> i made the comment that Warren's insistance about retrying 
 MS> `BBBS-Kermit'
 MS> only served to make me loose my time, euh...  flames filled the echo 
 MS> for
 MS> a month!  So, yes...  I do recall about trying it, as one might 
 MS> imagine.

Ah yes.  I recall that episode now that you mention it.  I also recall backing
you up that there is absolutely nothing wrong with kermit and, if there is,
then it *must* be their implementation of it.  Both the server and client of
ckermit worked flawlessly here over the ethernet.  Never tried connecting to
any BBS though.

 MS>      I won't pretend there's anything wrong with you.  :)  No later 
 MS> than
 MS> this summer, Shannon Talley was informing me that 82% of his .QWK 
 MS> BBSers
 MS> were using the ~WEB~ interface (and that all of those who still used 
 MS> the
 MS> ~TelNet~ client depended on `ZMoDem', not `Kermit')...

Right.  No surprises there.


 MS>      Shannon concluded:  "the only time I see someone use kermit is 
 MS> when
 MS> they are new and really don't know what they are doing" -

He should explain that to NASA and other scientific/engineering types.  Perhaps
he could sell them on zmodem.  :::snicker:::

 MS>      Yes, that's another frustration the LEGACY BBS users are facing. 
 MS>  I
 MS> have tried `ZMoDem' via ~TelNet~ often enough to be aware that it can 
 MS> be
 MS> giving random results depending on what connection types the two 
 MS> parties
 MS> are using and what HardWare/SoftWare configurations they happen to 
 MS> have.

Right.  It is flakey for sure.

 MS>      I refuse to install proprietary clients (i simply give up) when 

Same here.  What for?  It isn't like they'll have any real world application. 
These guys are off in LaLaLand in my humble opinion.  Usually the biggest
whiners about the lack of users too.  Go figure eh?

 MS> BBS's files are innaccessible for a failure to stick to some 
 MS> established
 MS> standards like `ZMoDem' or `Kermit'...  Your position is 
 MS> understandable.

Right.  I usually gets worst when you venture beyond just those basics too.  If
plain-jane terminal/serial protocols are flakey then one can safely assume that
everything that follows isn't worth the bytes it takes up on whatever media.

 MS>      My impression is that it worked because you went to the source 
 MS> then
 MS> installed one of Columbia's OFFICIAL `Kermit' packages on BOTH ends.  

Exactly.  Compiled it from the source I downloaded from them.  Worked
excellent.  I was impressed.

 MS> In
 MS> reality, it's unpopular because they got it crippled in the 1st 
 MS> place!!!

It isn't unpopular though.  It is in wide use.  If anything the people who
claim it's unpopular are clueless to what really goes on.  No matter though.


 MS> Finally, `C-Kermit' is available at no 
 MS> cost
 MS> to Linuxies and only needs configuration so lets spread the good 
 MS> news!!!

Right.  No problem.

Life is good,
Maurice

--- Msged/LNX 6.1.2
 * Origin: Coffin Point - Ladysmith, BC Canada (1:153/401.1)