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Skriven 2004-10-21 16:42:10 av Adam Flinton (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 1008 av Gary Wiltshire (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Article on WIPO & the public good
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From: Adam Flinton <adam_NO_@_SPAM_softfab.com>

Gary Wiltshire wrote:

> On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:22:31 +0100, Adam Flinton
> <adam_NO_@_SPAM_softfab.com> wrote:
>
>> Gary Wiltshire wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 22:59:18 +0100, Adam Flinton
>>> <adam@NOSPAM_softfab.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Gary Wiltshire wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:13:01 +0100, Adam Flinton
>>>>> <adam@NOSPAM_softfab.com>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary Wiltshire wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:13:36 +0100, Adam Flinton
>>>>>>> <adam_NO_@_SPAM_softfab.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gary Wiltshire wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Fuck yes, I own what I create.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Actually no you don't. The public own it & you get a temporary
>>>>>>>> period  of  monopoly over it in order for you to derive some
>>>>>>>> monetary  compensation  from the market.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The moment what I create is not protected  I will not create.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Astonishing that there was any literature or music or science
>>>>>>>> or    philosophy etc.etc. created before the WIPO existed isn't it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Shakespeare, Cicero, Ovid, Pope, Faraday et al must have been
>>>>>>>> driven  by  a different motive than money.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   There wasn't a hundredth the volume of work in those times
>>>>>>> that   there  is  today.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well d'oh.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (A) Most will have gone (much as most of what's being produced
>>>>>> now   will  be gone).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (B) Copying used to be making a copy by hand. Quite hard to do
>>>>>> in    volume. Then along came the printing press. Now one man can
>>>>>> copy  50   books in digital form to cd in seconds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In some places that used to be refered to as "progress".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (C) There are vastly more people in part because of
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (D) the massively greater availability of food meaning that
>>>>>> people   have  vastly more "non food-gathering time" e.g. to write
>>>>>> books or   computer  programs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However I'd like you to point out a single man who has discovered
>>>>>> as   much as say Faraday or Edison & has been born since WW2.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i.e. the quality might be declining as the quantity grows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   Edison did not discover that much.  Faraday I might grant you.
>>>>> The   importance of (since you chose the example) a physicist's
>>>>> work  is   frequently not known until decades later.  We are in a
>>>>> scientific and   cultural golden age.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gee where's my "air car"?
>>>>
>>>> Jet pack?
>>>>
>>>> Space hotel?
>>>>
>>>> Moon Base?
>>>>
>>>> Airliners are going slower than they used to. With the exception of
>>>> some  trains, transport is slower now than it was.
>>>>
>>>> Nuclear power? Been around for decades & yet nothing much has changed.
>>>>
>>>> Anti-biotics? Little critters are evolving resistance.
>>>>
>>>> We are in a global melting pot at the moment. The first truely
>>>> "global"  culture is steadily crawling out of the ouze.
>>>>
>>>> Adam
>>>
>>>   You are confusing 1930s era scifi with promises of science.
>>
>>
>> Nope. What I'm saying is that very little of what was possible in the
>> 50'es has come to pass & even those things that have have got
>> consistently worse in the last couple of decades.
>>
>> We used to have supersonic airliners. Today we don't. We used to have
>> airliners which were just subsonic. Today we don't.
>>
>> The last time man walked on the moon was.....
>>
>> The only thing which has really improved has been computers & thus
>> the  "virtual" which as a result we have to make do with.
>>
>>
>>>  Even later we  see Heinlein's heroes calculating orbits in one book
>>> with circular slide  rules and at least better in one a "computer"
>>> with  binary readouts of  lights.  We have a LOT that was not
>>> foreseen in old  scifi.
>>>  I certainly don't want the morons I see on the road driving in
>>> THREE   dimensions.
>>>
>>
>> Yup. But...in the decades since Von Braun, where is the "conquest of
>> space"?
>>
>> We're more or less back where we were with sputnik, having reached
>> out  to the moon etc.
>>
>> Adam
>
>
> Garbage.  Supersonic passenger flight was never economic when we had
> it.   And what is this business about "We used to have airliners which
> were just  subsonic. Today we don't."  ALL airliners now are subsonic.
> Do you know  what subsonic means?

Do you know what the word "just" means?

VC-10, Trident, TU-154 & a number of other 60'es designs were "just" subsonic
i.e. they were capable of flight right on the edge of the sound barrier.

Today's 777, airbus etc are 600 mile per hour machines flat out.

> While I'm disappointed that we don't
> have people on  the moon and the planets we went to the moon in a
> dramatically expensive  way just like your beloved SSTs.  We are in no
> way in a "sputnik" era.  In  the sputnik era we were not sending
> spacecraft to the outer planets.
>

A metal ball is sent to another planet. What is the difference between that &
sputnik?


> We enjoy and unprecedented standard of living.  Look at our life
> expectancy.
>

Mostly because the major risks have been reduced e.g. war, famine & disease.

Not applicable to large parts of the world (e.g. most of Africa) where for
instance AIDS (which wasn't around till fairly recently) is chopping that
figure down dramatically.



Adam

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