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Text 15633, 218 rader
Skriven 2007-01-24 21:14:08 av Rich (1:379/45)
  Kommentar till text 15619 av Gary Britt (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Dell do OS free PC'es
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   I believe it is very old news that they do not.

   Note that dell makes money selling space on the computers they sell.  =
For example, see =
http://www.channelinsider.com/article/Dell+and+Google+Team+Up/179331_1.as=
px.  This is just one example how you cost dell money by not letting = them
make money.  The estimate is between $5 and $10 per computer for = this just
the google software.  You also need to consider everything = else dell installs
or advertises.  Folks that have no clue like to point = fingers at Microsoft
because it is popular and they don't have to think. =
 Those that no better realize the pricing of systems from dell and other =
vendors is a lot more complex.

Rich

  "Gary Britt" <GaryNOSPAMBritt@generalcogster.com> wrote in message =
news:45b7ab72$1@w3.nls.net...
  Does Dell pay a licensing or other fee to Microsoft on machines they =
ship=20
  without Windows?  Does Dell's contracts with Microsoft require a fee =
for=20
  every computer sold irrespective of whether Windows is sold with the =
machine?

  Gary

  Rich wrote:
  >    These aren't new.  Dell has been offering these for a while.
  > =20
  >    As for a supposed savings, I priced an E520 from there and an=20
  > otherwise identical one with Windows XP Media Center and a free =
upgrade=20
  > to Windows Vista.  The system with freedos was $10 cheaper.  Dell=20
  > supports the system with Windows and it will support it with =
freedos. =20
  > It doesn't support it with linux or other non-dell installed OS.
  > =20
  > Rich
  > =20
  >=20
  >     "Ad" <Dobbin@theStablesCloseToTheAirport.com
  >     <mailto:Dobbin@theStablesCloseToTheAirport.com>> wrote in =
message
  >     news:45b733b4$1@w3.nls.net...
  >     Blimey are Dell turning into knowing accomplices of pirates?
  >=20
  >     =
http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/e510_nseries?c=3Dus&cs=3D=
19&l=3Den&s=3Ddhs
  >     =
<http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/e510_nseries?c=3Dus&cs=3D=
19&l=3Den&s=3Ddhs>
  >=20
  >     "Are you looking for a desktop on which you can run Linux=AE  or =
other
  >     open-source operating systems? Look no further!
  >=20
  >     Dell's new open-source n Series desktop solution provides =
customers
  >     with
  >     a DimensionTM  E520, E521 or C521 desktop without an installed =
or
  >     included Microsoft=AE  operating system. With the n Series =
desktop,
  >     customers have the flexibility to install an alternative =
operating
  >     system (such as a version of Linux=AE ), and help reduce the =
price of
  >     this
  >     system. In addition, the n Series desktop comes with a =
non-formatted
  >     hard drive ready for your custom installation. Dell's n Series =
desktop
  >     ships with a copy of FreeDosTM , an open-source operating system
  >     that is
  >     ready to install. "
  >=20
  >=20
  >=20
  >     Adam
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; I believe it is very old =
news that=20
they do not.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Note that dell makes money =
selling=20
space on the computers they sell.&nbsp; For example, see <A=20
href=3D"http://www.channelinsider.com/article/Dell+and+Google+Team+Up/179=
331_1.aspx">http://www.channelinsider.com/article/Dell+and+Google+Team+Up=
/179331_1.aspx</A>.&nbsp;=20
This is just one example how you cost dell money by not letting them = make=20
money.&nbsp; The estimate is between $5 and $10 per computer for this = just
the=20
google software.&nbsp; You also need to consider everything else dell =
installs=20
or advertises.&nbsp; Folks that have no clue like to point fingers at =
Microsoft=20
because it is popular and they don't have to think.&nbsp; Those that no =
better=20
realize the pricing of systems from dell and other vendors is a lot more =

complex.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV>"Gary Britt" &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:GaryNOSPAMBritt@generalcogster.com">GaryNOSPAMBritt@genera=
lcogster.com</A>&gt;=20
  wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:45b7ab72$1@w3.nls.net">news:45b7ab72$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>Does=20
  Dell pay a licensing or other fee to Microsoft on machines they ship=20
  <BR>without Windows?&nbsp; Does Dell's contracts with Microsoft =
require a fee=20
  for <BR>every computer sold irrespective of whether Windows is sold =
with the=20
  machine?<BR><BR>Gary<BR><BR>Rich wrote:<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
These aren't=20
  new.&nbsp; Dell has been offering these for a while.<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; As for a supposed savings, I priced an E520 =
from=20
  there and an <BR>&gt; otherwise identical one with Windows XP Media =
Center and=20
  a free upgrade <BR>&gt; to Windows Vista.&nbsp; The system with =
freedos was=20
  $10 cheaper.&nbsp; Dell <BR>&gt; supports the system with Windows and =
it will=20
  support it with freedos.&nbsp; <BR>&gt; It doesn't support it with =
linux or=20
  other non-dell installed OS.<BR>&gt;&nbsp; <BR>&gt; Rich<BR>&gt;&nbsp; =

  <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "Ad" &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:Dobbin@theStablesCloseToTheAirport.com">Dobbin@theStablesC=
loseToTheAirport.com</A><BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:Dobbin@theStablesCloseToTheAirport.com">mailto:Dobbin@theS=
tablesCloseToTheAirport.com</A>&gt;&gt;=20
  wrote in message<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:45b733b4$1@w3.nls.net">news:45b733b4$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  Blimey are Dell turning into knowing accomplices of pirates?<BR>&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/e510_nseries?c=3D=
us&amp;cs=3D19&amp;l=3Den&amp;s=3Ddhs">http://www.dell.com/content/topics=
/segtopic.aspx/e510_nseries?c=3Dus&amp;cs=3D19&amp;l=3Den&amp;s=3Ddhs</A>=
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/e510_nseries?c=3D=
us&amp;cs=3D19&amp;l=3Den&amp;s=3Ddhs">http://www.dell.com/content/topics=
/segtopic.aspx/e510_nseries?c=3Dus&amp;cs=3D19&amp;l=3Den&amp;s=3Ddhs</A>=
&gt;<BR>&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "Are you looking for a desktop on =
which you=20
  can run Linux=AE&nbsp; or other<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
open-source=20
  operating systems? Look no further!<BR>&gt; =
<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  Dell's new open-source n Series desktop solution provides=20
  customers<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
with<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  a DimensionTM&nbsp; E520, E521 or C521 desktop without an installed=20
  or<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; included Microsoft=AE&nbsp; =
operating system.=20
  With the n Series desktop,<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; customers =
have the=20
  flexibility to install an alternative=20
  operating<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; system (such as a version of =
Linux=AE=20
  ), and help reduce the price of<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  this<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; system. In addition, the n Series =
desktop=20
  comes with a non-formatted<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; hard drive =
ready=20
  for your custom installation. Dell's n Series=20
  desktop<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ships with a copy of FreeDosTM =
, an=20
  open-source operating system<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; that=20
  is<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ready to install. "<BR>&gt; =
<BR>&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
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