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Text 15634, 279 rader
Skriven 2007-01-24 21:53:36 av Rich (1:379/45)
  Kommentar till text 15620 av Rich Gauszka (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Dell do OS free PC'es
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   The EULA doesn't entitle you to a refund for bits and pieces.  If you =
don't want to accept the license you can return the whole computer.  One =
story a year of a guy that persuaded an OEM to give him a credit because = he
cost them more by complaining.

   The EULA quoted is not relevant since that is the EULA for the boxed =
retail version not an OEM version.

Rich

  "Rich Gauszka" <gauszka@dontspamhotmail.com> wrote in message =
news:45b7bb58$1@w3.nls.net...
  Also wouldn't it be better to order the computer with  Windows and =
then ask=20
  Dell for the OS refund ( $10 vs $105 )
  http://www.networkworld.com/news/2006/110706-dell-windows.html

  Dell today gave freelance programmer and sysadmin Dave Mitchell, of=20
  Sheffield, UK, a refund of 47 pounds ($89) for the unused copy of =
Microsoft=20
  Windows XP Home SP2 bundled with his new Dell Inspiron 640m laptop, =
Mitchell=20
  says. Dell also refunded the tax, for a total of =A355.23 ($105).

  The online version of the Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition EULA =
states,=20
  "You agree to be bound by the terms of this EULA by installing, =
copying, or=20
  otherwise using the software. If you do not agree, do not install, =
copy, or=20
  use the software; you may return it to your place of purchase for a =
full=20
  refund, if applicable."
  The language in the version that Mitchell received was slightly =
different.=20
  It read, "If you do not agree to the terms of this EULA, you may not =
use or=20
  copy the software, and should promptly contact manufacturer for =
instructions=20
  on return of the unused product(s) for a refund in accordance with=20
  manufacturer's return policies."


  "Gary Britt" <GaryNOSPAMBritt@generalcogster.com> wrote in message=20
  news:45b7ab72$1@w3.nls.net...
  Does Dell pay a licensing or other fee to Microsoft on machines they =
ship
  without Windows?  Does Dell's contracts with Microsoft require a fee =
for
  every computer sold irrespective of whether Windows is sold with the=20
  machine?

  Gary

  Rich wrote:
  >    These aren't new.  Dell has been offering these for a while.
  >  As for a supposed savings, I priced an E520 from there and an =
otherwise=20
  > identical one with Windows XP Media Center and a free upgrade to =
Windows=20
  > Vista.  The system with freedos was $10 cheaper.  Dell supports the =
system=20
  > with Windows and it will support it with freedos.  It doesn't =
support it=20
  > with linux or other non-dell installed OS.
  >  Rich
  >
  >     "Ad" <Dobbin@theStablesCloseToTheAirport.com
  >     <mailto:Dobbin@theStablesCloseToTheAirport.com>> wrote in =
message
  >     news:45b733b4$1@w3.nls.net...
  >     Blimey are Dell turning into knowing accomplices of pirates?
  >
  >=20
  > =
http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/e510_nseries?c=3Dus&cs=3D=
19&l=3Den&s=3Ddhs
  >=20
  > =
<http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/e510_nseries?c=3Dus&cs=3D=
19&l=3Den&s=3Ddhs>
  >
  >     "Are you looking for a desktop on which you can run Linux=AE  or =
other
  >     open-source operating systems? Look no further!
  >
  >     Dell's new open-source n Series desktop solution provides =
customers
  >     with
  >     a DimensionTM  E520, E521 or C521 desktop without an installed =
or
  >     included Microsoft=AE  operating system. With the n Series =
desktop,
  >     customers have the flexibility to install an alternative =
operating
  >     system (such as a version of Linux=AE ), and help reduce the =
price of
  >     this
  >     system. In addition, the n Series desktop comes with a =
non-formatted
  >     hard drive ready for your custom installation. Dell's n Series =
desktop
  >     ships with a copy of FreeDosTM , an open-source operating system
  >     that is
  >     ready to install. "
  >
  >
  >
  >     Adam=20


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; The EULA doesn't entitle =
you to a=20
refund for bits and pieces.&nbsp; If you don't want to accept the = license
you=20
can return the whole computer.&nbsp; One story a year of a guy that = persuaded
an=20
OEM to give him a credit because he cost them more by =
complaining.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; The EULA quoted is not =
relevant since=20
that is the EULA for the boxed retail version not an OEM=20
version.</FONT></DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>
<DIV><BR>Rich</DIV>
<DIV></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV>"Rich Gauszka" &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:gauszka@dontspamhotmail.com">gauszka@dontspamhotmail.com</=
A>&gt;=20
  wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:45b7bb58$1@w3.nls.net">news:45b7bb58$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>Also=20
  wouldn't it be better to order the computer with&nbsp; Windows and =
then ask=20
  <BR>Dell for the OS refund ( $10 vs $105 )<BR><A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.networkworld.com/news/2006/110706-dell-windows.html">h=
ttp://www.networkworld.com/news/2006/110706-dell-windows.html</A><BR><BR>=
Dell=20
  today gave freelance programmer and sysadmin Dave Mitchell, of =
<BR>Sheffield,=20
  UK, a refund of 47 pounds ($89) for the unused copy of Microsoft =
<BR>Windows=20
  XP Home SP2 bundled with his new Dell Inspiron 640m laptop, Mitchell =
<BR>says.=20
  Dell also refunded the tax, for a total of =A355.23 ($105).<BR><BR>The =
online=20
  version of the Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition EULA states, <BR>"You =
agree=20
  to be bound by the terms of this EULA by installing, copying, or =
<BR>otherwise=20
  using the software. If you do not agree, do not install, copy, or =
<BR>use the=20
  software; you may return it to your place of purchase for a full =
<BR>refund,=20
  if applicable."<BR>The language in the version that Mitchell received =
was=20
  slightly different. <BR>It read, "If you do not agree to the terms of =
this=20
  EULA, you may not use or <BR>copy the software, and should promptly =
contact=20
  manufacturer for instructions <BR>on return of the unused product(s) =
for a=20
  refund in accordance with <BR>manufacturer's return=20
  policies."<BR><BR><BR>"Gary Britt" &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:GaryNOSPAMBritt@generalcogster.com">GaryNOSPAMBritt@genera=
lcogster.com</A>&gt;=20
  wrote in message <BR><A=20
  =
href=3D"news:45b7ab72$1@w3.nls.net">news:45b7ab72$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
Does=20
  Dell pay a licensing or other fee to Microsoft on machines they=20
  ship<BR>without Windows?&nbsp; Does Dell's contracts with Microsoft =
require a=20
  fee for<BR>every computer sold irrespective of whether Windows is sold =
with=20
  the <BR>machine?<BR><BR>Gary<BR><BR>Rich =
wrote:<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  These aren't new.&nbsp; Dell has been offering these for a=20
  while.<BR>&gt;&nbsp; As for a supposed savings, I priced an E520 from =
there=20
  and an otherwise <BR>&gt; identical one with Windows XP Media Center =
and a=20
  free upgrade to Windows <BR>&gt; Vista.&nbsp; The system with freedos =
was $10=20
  cheaper.&nbsp; Dell supports the system <BR>&gt; with Windows and it =
will=20
  support it with freedos.&nbsp; It doesn't support it <BR>&gt; with =
linux or=20
  other non-dell installed OS.<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
  Rich<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "Ad" &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:Dobbin@theStablesCloseToTheAirport.com">Dobbin@theStablesC=
loseToTheAirport.com</A><BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:Dobbin@theStablesCloseToTheAirport.com">mailto:Dobbin@theS=
tablesCloseToTheAirport.com</A>&gt;&gt;=20
  wrote in message<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:45b733b4$1@w3.nls.net">news:45b733b4$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  Blimey are Dell turning into knowing accomplices of =
pirates?<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt; <A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/e510_nseries?c=3D=
us&amp;cs=3D19&amp;l=3Den&amp;s=3Ddhs">http://www.dell.com/content/topics=
/segtopic.aspx/e510_nseries?c=3Dus&amp;cs=3D19&amp;l=3Den&amp;s=3Ddhs</A>=
<BR>&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt; &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/e510_nseries?c=3D=
us&amp;cs=3D19&amp;l=3Den&amp;s=3Ddhs">http://www.dell.com/content/topics=
/segtopic.aspx/e510_nseries?c=3Dus&amp;cs=3D19&amp;l=3Den&amp;s=3Ddhs</A>=
&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  "Are you looking for a desktop on which you can run Linux=AE&nbsp; or=20
  other<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; open-source operating systems? =
Look no=20
  further!<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Dell's new =
open-source n=20
  Series desktop solution provides =
customers<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  with<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; a DimensionTM&nbsp; E520, E521 or =
C521=20
  desktop without an installed or<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
included=20
  Microsoft=AE&nbsp; operating system. With the n Series=20
  desktop,<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; customers have the =
flexibility to=20
  install an alternative operating<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
system (such=20
  as a version of Linux=AE ), and help reduce the price=20
  of<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
this<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  system. In addition, the n Series desktop comes with a=20
  non-formatted<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; hard drive ready for =
your custom=20
  installation. Dell's n Series desktop<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
ships=20
  with a copy of FreeDosTM , an open-source operating=20
  system<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; that =
is<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  ready to install. =
"<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  Adam <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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