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Skriven 2005-01-03 22:28:18 av Geo (1:379/45)
Kommentar till text 1736 av Rich (1:379/45)
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From: "Geo" <georger@nls.net>
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But do you trust your telephone to store your information or are you = required
to provide that information via the telephone? There is a = difference, if your
telephone recorded your CC number and would play it = back whenever someone hit
the correct 3 digit number sequence, how would = that change your view of that
secure telephone?
I don't think people have a problem with using a computer to purchase = stuff,
they just have a problem (or are learning to have a problem) with = the
computer remembering too much sensitive information.
Try thinking of both the telephone and the computer as simple = communications
devices, they really are quite similar in that regard.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:41d98d5e@w3.nls.net...
I still disagree. You are mixing trust in the computer and trust =
in the content viewed with the computer. I don't trust telemarketers = but I
do not confuse that with trust of the telephone. I'm sure you = make the
latter distinction. Don't you make the former? You have made = plenty of
claims in this groups that indicate that you do.
If you think people should be afraid of folks listening in then you =
should be encouraging folks to fear their ISPs. That is the analogous =
scenario. Your telephone analogy is a bad one because people have been =
exploited by folks listening in on mobile phones and maybe land lines = too.
Someone else claimed a paranoid fear of law enforcement which has = a long
history of listening to phone conversations. Now my concerns are = very
different from yours. I don't fear someone listening to me = communicating a
CC number or other PII. My concern is the business to = which I communicate it
doesn't protect the information. There are = plenty of examples of this. Try
asking your bank if they can tell you =
which of their employees has seen your SSN and when?
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:41d92728$1@w3.nls.net...
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:41d891c8$1@w3.nls.net...
>> I disagree with your conclusion and even more with the =
suggestion that
your example supports it. In fact your story argues against your
conclusion. People do trust their computers and the web sites they =
visit
and the email they receive. If they did not many problems these =
people
encounter would not exist as they rely on the users trusting =
something they
should not.<<
That is what proves my point, I said people are learning not to =
trust their
computers, they learn this by getting rooted or getting infected by =
an email
attachment.
>> When using the Internet, of all the components to trust, the PC =
is the
one most worthy of trust as it is the only one over which you have =
any
control. Even non-techical users have control as you do not need to
understand how things work to control them (e.g. TV). <<
There is a difference between trusting a computer like you trust a =
telephone
and trusting it like you would trust someone with your credit card. =
I have
no problem telling a vendor my CC number over the telephone because =
it's
unlikely someone is listening in, I do have a problem with allowing =
the
telephone to remember my CC number because it's not a device I trust =
to be
secure with storing that sort of information.
Geo.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But do you trust your telephone to =
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telephone?=20
There is a difference, if your telephone recorded your CC number and = would
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I don't think people have a problem =
with using a=20
computer to purchase stuff, they just have a problem (or are = learning
to=20
have a problem) with the computer remembering too much sensitive=20
information.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Try thinking of both the telephone and =
the computer=20
as simple communications devices, they really are quite similar in that=20
regard.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> I still disagree. =
You are=20
mixing trust in the computer and trust in the content viewed with the=20
computer. I don't trust telemarketers but I do not confuse that =
with=20
trust of the telephone. I'm sure you make the latter =
distinction. =20
Don't you make the former? You have made plenty of claims in =
this groups=20
that indicate that you do.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> If you think people =
should be afraid=20
of folks listening in then you should be encouraging folks to fear =
their=20
ISPs. That is the analogous scenario. Your telephone =
analogy is a=20
bad one because people have been exploited by folks listening in on =
mobile=20
phones and maybe land lines too. Someone else claimed a paranoid =
fear of=20
law enforcement which has a long history of listening to phone=20
conversations. Now my concerns are very different from =
yours. I=20
don't fear someone listening to me communicating a CC number or other=20
PII. My concern is the business to which I communicate it =
doesn't=20
protect the information. There are plenty of examples of=20
this. Try asking your bank if they can tell you which of =
their=20
employees has seen your SSN and when?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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V>"Rich"=20
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>> =20
I disagree with your conclusion and even more with the suggestion=20
that<BR>your example supports it. In fact your story argues =
against=20
your<BR>conclusion. People do trust their computers and the =
web sites=20
they visit<BR>and the email they receive. If they did not many =
problems these people<BR>encounter would not exist as they rely on =
the users=20
trusting something they<BR>should not.<<<BR><BR>That is what =
proves my=20
point, I said people are learning not to trust their<BR>computers, =
they=20
learn this by getting rooted or getting infected by an=20
email<BR>attachment.<BR><BR>>> When using the =
Internet, of=20
all the components to trust, the PC is the<BR>one most worthy of =
trust as it=20
is the only one over which you have any<BR>control. Even =
non-techical users have control as you do not need to<BR>understand =
how=20
things work to control them (e.g. TV). =
<<<BR><BR>There is=20
a difference between trusting a computer like you trust a =
telephone<BR>and=20
trusting it like you would trust someone with your credit card. I =
have<BR>no=20
problem telling a vendor my CC number over the telephone because=20
it's<BR>unlikely someone is listening in, I do have a problem with =
allowing=20
the<BR>telephone to remember my CC number because it's not a device =
I trust=20
to be<BR>secure with storing that sort of=20
=
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