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Text 2488, 402 rader
Skriven 2005-02-11 21:56:58 av Rich Gauszka (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 2487 av Randy (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: MS and Macrovision join forces
==========================================
From: "Rich Gauszka" <gauszka@hotmail.com>

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 Media Center Supposedly has a list of appoved hardware components.  I =
love the 'hardware must detect Macrovision' requirement for MS partners = by
the operating system.=20

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/mediacenter/partners/dfw/tvtunercardsr=
eq.mspx
1.1.1.7 CP (Copy Protection):

      . Analog TV tuner subsystems must deliver access to VBI (line 21) =
by providing this data in the raw VBI stream. PAL and SECAM subsystems = must
also deliver VBI line 23. See section 1.1.1.8.
    =20
      . Hardware must detect Macrovision and pass the state to Media =
Center as part of the digital output stream from the video compressor.
    =20
      . Macrovision states/bits must be preserved.
    =20
=20
  "Randy" <@> wrote in message news:420d6bb0@w3.nls.net...
  "For upcoming versions of its Microsoft's Media Center Edition =
operating systems, the computer will allow users to make a temporary = copy
that can be stored one day, but that cannot be used after that = time. "

  This makes no sense to me. The whole point of time-shifting is to be =
able to watch something at your conveneince-not the providers. I can't =
believe that a 24-hr time-shift will be acceptable.

  Then again, "stupid is as stupid does"....
    "Rich Gauszka" <gauszka@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
news:420c004f@w3.nls.net...
    Sounds like they are embedding it to me.   I suppose one way =
consumers have to punish them is just start a campaign against Longhorn = as an
anti-consumer product.=20

    =
http://news.com.com/Microsoft,+Macrovision+align+on+copy+protection/2100-=
1030_3-5557984.html
    Microsoft and copy-protection company Macrovision have struck a deal =
that will add a new layer of anticopying defenses to video content being =
swapped between home devices.=20

    The Macrovision technology has been one attempt to limit this. =
Rather than scrambling the signal altogether, as digital copy protection =
typically does, it includes a pulse of electronic energy along with the = video
as it is played. The pulse is meant to indicate the content should = not be
recorded. Many devices such as DVD recorders respect this signal = and block
recording if it is detected.=20

    Under the new deal, Microsoft's Windows Media software will =
recognize this signal when it is included in incoming analog video = streams.
For upcoming versions of its Microsoft's Media Center Edition = operating
systems, the computer will allow users to make a temporary = copy that can be
stored one day, but that cannot be used after that = time.=20

    In future versions of its Media software, including the version in =
its next Longhorn operating system, Microsoft plans to support an = upcoming
revision of Macrovision's technology that will allow content to = be stored for
just 90 minutes, or up to a week.=20

      "Tony Ingenoso" <aingenoso@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
news:420bfcf5@w3.nls.net...
      Q: Is Microsoft planning on embedding Macrovision technology in =
Windows?

      Yes, or no.

        "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:420b9923$1@w3.nls.net...
           How does it differ?  Well it's a completely different quote =
on a different topic.  That's how it differs.

           George was wrong and you jumped on putting your foot in your =
mouth without checking whether or not George was correct first.

        Rich

          "Tony Ingenoso" <aingenoso@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
news:420b0a58@w3.nls.net...
          "For the entertainment industry to deliver premium on-demand =
entertainment in the home, rights must be protected to prevent revenue = loss.
With about 10 million digital video recorders expected to ship in = 2005, a
surge in demand for PCs running Microsoft Windows XP Media = Center 2005 and
broad consumer adoption and use of digital media = technologies, Microsoft and
Macrovision are working to provide a = flexible rights solution that allows the
entertainment industry to take = full advantage of new usage models for today's
digital home. "

          How does that differ from what was said?  MacroVision is an =
analog technology and you plan to somehow marry it with Windows to = "protect"
"rights".  Those "rights" would apparently NOT include the = buyers right to
somehow insure they get to injoy whatever they've bought = in the future. =20

          I assure you - being consumer hostile is not the way to =
success in business.

          The whole "loss of revenue" argument from these people has =
been proven bogus time and time again.  They whine with every new = technology
that comes along and their sales continue. =20

          "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:420ac9fd$1@w3.nls.net...
               You really ought to double check on george's embarrassing =
mistakes before embarrassing yourself too.

            Rich

              "Tony Ingenoso" <aingenoso@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
news:420abbf1@w3.nls.net...
              As the kids say: "pwned"
                "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:420ab27f@w3.nls.net...
                the quote was from your link. Didn't you even read the =
story you posted a link to?

                Geo.

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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>&nbsp;Media Center Supposedly has a list of appoved =
hardware=20
components. &nbsp;I love the 'hardware must detect Macrovision' = requirement
for=20
MS partners by the operating system. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/mediacenter/partners/dfw/tvtun=
ercardsreq.mspx">http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/mediacenter/partners/=
dfw/tvtunercardsreq.mspx</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<P><B>1.1.1.7</B> CP (Copy Protection):</P>
<TABLE cellSpacing=3D0 cellPadding=3D0 border=3D0>
  <TBODY>
  <TR>
    <TD class=3DlistBullet vAlign=3Dtop>=95</TD>
    <TD class=3DlistItem>
      <P>Analog TV tuner subsystems must deliver access to VBI (line 21) =
by=20
      providing this data in the raw VBI stream. PAL and SECAM =
subsystems must=20
      also deliver VBI line 23. See section 1.1.1.8.</P></TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD class=3DlistBullet vAlign=3Dtop>=95</TD>
    <TD class=3DlistItem>
      <P>Hardware must detect Macrovision and pass the state to Media =
Center as=20
      part of the digital output stream from the video =
compressor.</P></TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD class=3DlistBullet vAlign=3Dtop>=95</TD>
    <TD class=3DlistItem>
      <P>Macrovision states/bits must be=20
preserved.</P></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV>"Randy" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:420d6bb0@w3.nls.net">news:420d6bb0@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>"<FONT size=3D3>For upcoming versions of its =
Microsoft's=20
  </FONT><A title=3D"Media Center not yet a home run -- Thursday, Jan 6, =
2005"=20
  =
href=3D"http://news.com.com/Media+Center+not+yet+a+home+run/2100-1046_3-5=
515378.html?tag=3Dnl"><FONT=20
  color=3D#b23e3e size=3D3>Media Center Edition</FONT></A></FONT><FONT =
size=3D3>=20
  operating systems, the computer will allow users to make a temporary =
copy that=20
  can be stored one day, but that cannot be used after that time. =
"</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>This makes no sense to me. The whole point of =
time-shifting=20
  is to be able to watch something at your conveneince-not the =
providers. I=20
  can't believe that a 24-hr time-shift will be acceptable.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Then again, "stupid is as stupid =
does"....</FONT></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
  style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <DIV>"Rich Gauszka" &lt;<A=20
    href=3D"mailto:gauszka@hotmail.com">gauszka@hotmail.com</A>&gt; =
wrote in=20
    message <A=20
    =
href=3D"news:420c004f@w3.nls.net">news:420c004f@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Sounds like they are embedding it to =
me.&nbsp;&nbsp; I=20
    suppose one way consumers have to punish them is&nbsp;just start a =
campaign=20
    against Longhorn as an anti-consumer product. </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2><A=20
    =
href=3D"http://news.com.com/Microsoft,+Macrovision+align+on+copy+protecti=
on/2100-1030_3-5557984.html">http://news.com.com/Microsoft,+Macrovision+a=
lign+on+copy+protection/2100-1030_3-5557984.html</A></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P><B>Microsoft and copy-protection company Macrovision have struck =
a deal=20
    that will add a new layer of anticopying defenses to video content =
being=20
    swapped between home devices.</B> </P></DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P>The Macrovision technology has been one attempt to limit this. =
Rather=20
    than scrambling the signal altogether, as digital copy protection =
typically=20
    does, it includes a pulse of electronic energy along with the video =
as it is=20
    played. The pulse is meant to indicate the content should not be =
recorded.=20
    Many devices such as DVD recorders respect this signal and block =
recording=20
    if it is detected. </P><!-- STORY TEASE --><NEWSELEMENT><!-- DO NOT =
REMOVE:   Please be sure this tag follows News.com story links:        =
?tag=3Dnefd.lede --><!-- IMAGE CODE --><NEWSELEMENT>
    <P>Under the new deal, Microsoft's Windows Media software will =
recognize=20
    this signal when it is included in incoming analog video streams. =
For=20
    upcoming versions of its Microsoft's <A=20
    title=3D"Media Center not yet a home run -- Thursday, Jan 6, 2005"=20
    =
href=3D"http://news.com.com/Media+Center+not+yet+a+home+run/2100-1046_3-5=
515378.html?tag=3Dnl"><FONT=20
    color=3D#b23e3e>Media Center Edition</FONT></A> operating systems, =
the=20
    computer will allow users to make a temporary copy that can be =
stored one=20
    day, but that cannot be used after that time. </P>
    <P>In future versions of its Media software, including the version =
in its=20
    next Longhorn operating system, Microsoft plans to support an =
upcoming=20
    revision of Macrovision's technology that will allow content to be =
stored=20
    for just 90 minutes, or up to a week. </P></DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
    style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
      <DIV>"Tony Ingenoso" &lt;<A=20
      =
href=3D"mailto:aingenoso@hotmail.com">aingenoso@hotmail.com</A>&gt; = wrote
in=20
      message <A=20
      =
href=3D"news:420bfcf5@w3.nls.net">news:420bfcf5@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Q: Is Microsoft planning on =
embedding=20
      Macrovision technology in Windows?</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Yes, or no.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
      style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
        <DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
        =
href=3D"news:420b9923$1@w3.nls.net">news:420b9923$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; How does it =
differ?&nbsp; Well=20
        it's a completely different quote on a different topic.&nbsp; =
That's how=20
        it differs.</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; George was wrong =
and you=20
        jumped on putting your foot in your mouth without checking =
whether or=20
        not George was correct first.</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
        style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
          <DIV>"Tony Ingenoso" &lt;<A=20
          =
href=3D"mailto:aingenoso@hotmail.com">aingenoso@hotmail.com</A>&gt;=20
          wrote in message <A=20
          =
href=3D"news:420b0a58@w3.nls.net">news:420b0a58@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"<FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman" size=3D3>For=20
          the entertainment industry to deliver premium on-demand =
entertainment=20
          in the home, rights must be protected to prevent revenue loss. =
With=20
          about 10 million digital video recorders expected to ship in =
2005, a=20
          surge in demand for PCs running Microsoft Windows XP Media =
Center 2005=20
          and broad consumer adoption and use of digital media =
technologies,=20
          Microsoft and Macrovision are working to provide a flexible =
rights=20
          solution that allows the entertainment industry to take full =
advantage=20
          of new usage models for today=92s digital home. =
"</FONT></FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>How does that differ from =
what was=20
          said?&nbsp; MacroVision is an analog technology and you plan =
to=20
          somehow marry it with Windows to "protect" "rights".&nbsp; =
Those=20
          "rights" would apparently NOT include the buyers right to =
somehow=20
          insure they get to injoy whatever they've bought in the =
future.&nbsp;=20
          </FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I assure you - being consumer =
hostile is=20
          not the way to success in business.</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The whole "loss of revenue" =
argument from=20
          these people has been proven bogus time and time again.&nbsp; =
They=20
          whine with every new technology that comes along and their =
sales=20
          continue.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
          =
href=3D"news:420ac9fd$1@w3.nls.net">news:420ac9fd$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>
          <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
          style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; You really =
ought to double=20
            check on george's embarrassing mistakes before embarrassing =
yourself=20
            too.</FONT></DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
            <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
            <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
            style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
              <DIV>"Tony Ingenoso" &lt;<A=20
              =
href=3D"mailto:aingenoso@hotmail.com">aingenoso@hotmail.com</A>&gt;=20
              wrote in message <A=20
              =
href=3D"news:420abbf1@w3.nls.net">news:420abbf1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
              <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As the kids say: =
"pwned"</FONT></DIV>
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