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Kommentar till text 2488 av Rich Gauszka (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: MS and Macrovision join forces
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From: "Randy" <@>
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Needless to say, that's one piece of software I won't be touching = anytime
soon-if ever.
"Rich Gauszka" <gauszka@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
news:420d7049@w3.nls.net...
Media Center Supposedly has a list of appoved hardware components. I =
love the 'hardware must detect Macrovision' requirement for MS partners = by
the operating system.=20
=
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/mediacenter/partners/dfw/tvtunercardsr=
eq.mspx
1.1.1.7 CP (Copy Protection):
. Analog TV tuner subsystems must deliver access to VBI (line =
21) by providing this data in the raw VBI stream. PAL and SECAM = subsystems
must also deliver VBI line 23. See section 1.1.1.8.
=20
. Hardware must detect Macrovision and pass the state to Media =
Center as part of the digital output stream from the video compressor.
=20
. Macrovision states/bits must be preserved.
=20
=20
"Randy" <@> wrote in message news:420d6bb0@w3.nls.net...
"For upcoming versions of its Microsoft's Media Center Edition =
operating systems, the computer will allow users to make a temporary = copy
that can be stored one day, but that cannot be used after that = time. "
This makes no sense to me. The whole point of time-shifting is to be =
able to watch something at your conveneince-not the providers. I can't =
believe that a 24-hr time-shift will be acceptable.
Then again, "stupid is as stupid does"....
"Rich Gauszka" <gauszka@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
news:420c004f@w3.nls.net...
Sounds like they are embedding it to me. I suppose one way =
consumers have to punish them is just start a campaign against Longhorn = as an
anti-consumer product.=20
=
http://news.com.com/Microsoft,+Macrovision+align+on+copy+protection/2100-=
1030_3-5557984.html
Microsoft and copy-protection company Macrovision have struck a =
deal that will add a new layer of anticopying defenses to video content = being
swapped between home devices.=20
The Macrovision technology has been one attempt to limit this. =
Rather than scrambling the signal altogether, as digital copy protection =
typically does, it includes a pulse of electronic energy along with the = video
as it is played. The pulse is meant to indicate the content should = not be
recorded. Many devices such as DVD recorders respect this signal = and block
recording if it is detected.=20
Under the new deal, Microsoft's Windows Media software will =
recognize this signal when it is included in incoming analog video = streams.
For upcoming versions of its Microsoft's Media Center Edition = operating
systems, the computer will allow users to make a temporary = copy that can be
stored one day, but that cannot be used after that = time.=20
In future versions of its Media software, including the version in =
its next Longhorn operating system, Microsoft plans to support an = upcoming
revision of Macrovision's technology that will allow content to = be stored for
just 90 minutes, or up to a week.=20
"Tony Ingenoso" <aingenoso@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
news:420bfcf5@w3.nls.net...
Q: Is Microsoft planning on embedding Macrovision technology in =
Windows?
Yes, or no.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:420b9923$1@w3.nls.net...
How does it differ? Well it's a completely different quote =
on a different topic. That's how it differs.
George was wrong and you jumped on putting your foot in =
your mouth without checking whether or not George was correct first.
Rich
"Tony Ingenoso" <aingenoso@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
news:420b0a58@w3.nls.net...
"For the entertainment industry to deliver premium on-demand =
entertainment in the home, rights must be protected to prevent revenue = loss.
With about 10 million digital video recorders expected to ship in = 2005, a
surge in demand for PCs running Microsoft Windows XP Media = Center 2005 and
broad consumer adoption and use of digital media = technologies, Microsoft and
Macrovision are working to provide a = flexible rights solution that allows the
entertainment industry to take = full advantage of new usage models for today's
digital home. "
How does that differ from what was said? MacroVision is an =
analog technology and you plan to somehow marry it with Windows to = "protect"
"rights". Those "rights" would apparently NOT include the = buyers right to
somehow insure they get to injoy whatever they've bought = in the future. =20
I assure you - being consumer hostile is not the way to =
success in business.
The whole "loss of revenue" argument from these people has =
been proven bogus time and time again. They whine with every new = technology
that comes along and their sales continue. =20
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:420ac9fd$1@w3.nls.net...
You really ought to double check on george's =
embarrassing mistakes before embarrassing yourself too.
Rich
"Tony Ingenoso" <aingenoso@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
news:420abbf1@w3.nls.net...
As the kids say: "pwned"
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:420ab27f@w3.nls.net...
the quote was from your link. Didn't you even read the =
story you posted a link to?
Geo.
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Needless to say, that's one piece of software I =
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2> Media Center Supposedly has a list of =
appoved hardware=20
components. I love the 'hardware must detect Macrovision' =
requirement=20
for MS partners by the operating system. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/mediacenter/partners/dfw/tvtun=
ercardsreq.mspx">http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/mediacenter/partners/=
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<P><B>1.1.1.7</B> CP (Copy Protection):</P>
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<P>Analog TV tuner subsystems must deliver access to VBI (line =
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providing this data in the raw VBI stream. PAL and SECAM =
subsystems must=20
also deliver VBI line 23. See section 1.1.1.8.</P></TD></TR>
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<P>Hardware must detect Macrovision and pass the state to Media =
Center=20
as part of the digital output stream from the video=20
compressor.</P></TD></TR>
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<TD class=3DlistBullet vAlign=3Dtop>=95</TD>
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<P>Macrovision states/bits must be=20
preserved.</P></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Randy" <@> wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:420d6bb0@w3.nls.net">news:420d6bb0@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>"<FONT size=3D3>For upcoming versions of its =
Microsoft's=20
</FONT><A title=3D"Media Center not yet a home run -- Thursday, Jan =
6, 2005"=20
=
href=3D"http://news.com.com/Media+Center+not+yet+a+home+run/2100-1046_3-5=
515378.html?tag=3Dnl"><FONT=20
color=3D#b23e3e size=3D3>Media Center Edition</FONT></A></FONT><FONT =
size=3D3>=20
operating systems, the computer will allow users to make a temporary =
copy=20
that can be stored one day, but that cannot be used after that time. =
"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>This makes no sense to me. The whole point of=20
time-shifting is to be able to watch something at your =
conveneince-not the=20
providers. I can't believe that a 24-hr time-shift will be=20
acceptable.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Then again, "stupid is as stupid =
does"....</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich Gauszka" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:gauszka@hotmail.com">gauszka@hotmail.com</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:420c004f@w3.nls.net">news:420c004f@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Sounds like they are embedding it to =
me. I=20
suppose one way consumers have to punish them is just start a =
campaign against Longhorn as an anti-consumer product. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><A=20
=
href=3D"http://news.com.com/Microsoft,+Macrovision+align+on+copy+protecti=
on/2100-1030_3-5557984.html">http://news.com.com/Microsoft,+Macrovision+a=
lign+on+copy+protection/2100-1030_3-5557984.html</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<P><B>Microsoft and copy-protection company Macrovision have =
struck a deal=20
that will add a new layer of anticopying defenses to video content =
being=20
swapped between home devices.</B> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P>The Macrovision technology has been one attempt to limit this. =
Rather=20
than scrambling the signal altogether, as digital copy protection=20
typically does, it includes a pulse of electronic energy along =
with the=20
video as it is played. The pulse is meant to indicate the content =
should=20
not be recorded. Many devices such as DVD recorders respect this =
signal=20
and block recording if it is detected.=20
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<P>Under the new deal, Microsoft's Windows Media software will =
recognize=20
this signal when it is included in incoming analog video streams. =
For=20
upcoming versions of its Microsoft's <A=20
title=3D"Media Center not yet a home run -- Thursday, Jan 6, 2005" =
=
href=3D"http://news.com.com/Media+Center+not+yet+a+home+run/2100-1046_3-5=
515378.html?tag=3Dnl"><FONT=20
color=3D#b23e3e>Media Center Edition</FONT></A> operating systems, =
the=20
computer will allow users to make a temporary copy that can be =
stored one=20
day, but that cannot be used after that time. </P>
<P>In future versions of its Media software, including the version =
in its=20
next Longhorn operating system, Microsoft plans to support an =
upcoming=20
revision of Macrovision's technology that will allow content to be =
stored=20
for just 90 minutes, or up to a week. </P></DIV>
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style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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<DIV>"Tony Ingenoso" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:aingenoso@hotmail.com">aingenoso@hotmail.com</A>> = wrote=20
in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:420bfcf5@w3.nls.net">news:420bfcf5@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Q: Is Microsoft planning on =
embedding=20
Macrovision technology in Windows?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Yes, or no.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:420b9923$1@w3.nls.net">news:420b9923$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> How does it =
differ? =20
Well it's a completely different quote on a different =
topic. =20
That's how it differs.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> George was wrong =
and you=20
jumped on putting your foot in your mouth without checking =
whether or=20
not George was correct first.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Tony Ingenoso" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:aingenoso@hotmail.com">aingenoso@hotmail.com</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:420b0a58@w3.nls.net">news:420b0a58@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"<FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman"=20
size=3D3>For the entertainment industry to deliver premium =
on-demand=20
entertainment in the home, rights must be protected to =
prevent=20
revenue loss. With about 10 million digital video recorders =
expected=20
to ship in 2005, a surge in demand for PCs running Microsoft =
Windows=20
XP Media Center 2005 and broad consumer adoption and use of =
digital=20
media technologies, Microsoft and Macrovision are working to =
provide=20
a flexible rights solution that allows the entertainment =
industry to=20
take full advantage of new usage models for today=92s =
digital home.=20
"</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>How does that differ from =
what was=20
said? MacroVision is an analog technology and you plan =
to=20
somehow marry it with Windows to "protect" "rights". =
Those=20
"rights" would apparently NOT include the buyers right to =
somehow=20
insure they get to injoy whatever they've bought in the=20
future. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I assure you - being =
consumer hostile=20
is not the way to success in business.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The whole "loss of revenue" =
argument=20
from these people has been proven bogus time and time =
again. =20
They whine with every new technology that comes along and =
their=20
sales continue. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:420ac9fd$1@w3.nls.net">news:420ac9fd$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> You really =
ought to=20
double check on george's embarrassing mistakes before =
embarrassing=20
yourself too.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Tony Ingenoso" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:aingenoso@hotmail.com">aingenoso@hotmail.com</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:420abbf1@w3.nls.net">news:420abbf1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As the kids say:=20
"pwned"</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Geo" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>> wrote in=20
message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:420ab27f@w3.nls.net">news:420ab27f@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>the quote was from =
your link.=20
Didn't you even read the story you posted a link=20
to?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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