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Skriven 2005-05-21 12:43:54 av Robert G Lewis (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Music players and phones
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From: "Robert G Lewis" <r.g.lewis@comcast.net>
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Holy +ACoAJgAmAF4- I never thought I'd see Gary make a positive = statement
about regulation +ADw-g+AD4-.
I agree with almost everything you say here. ( MS makes 'contributions' = to
anyone with power).
Bob Lewis
+ACI-Gary Britt+ACI- +ADw-zotu+AEA-nospamforme.com+AD4- wrote in =
message news:428eb68c+AEA-w3.nls.net...
Its true MS provides more +ACI-choice+ACI- than Apple. However, =
Microsoft provides much LESS choice than they should, IMHO. Also, there = is a
qualitative difference to providing choice on things AFTER the = Monopoly was
leveraged to kill off the meaningful competition in a = particular area. =20
Apple isn't a monopoly so they have no duty to provide choice and they =
don't that's for sure. Microsoft, because of its Monopoly, does need to =
provide a lot of choice. I believe Microsoft still takes improper = advantage
of its Monopoly on operating systems and distribution to = leverage their
applications. Use of undisclosed undocumented API's, = etc. I'm sure its
still the norm at MS.
So while its true MS provides more choice than Apple, it provides far =
less choice than it should because it should be a far more regulated = monopoly
than it has been so far. Sporkin had the right ideas and = solutions, and MS
bought off and out negotiated the Clinton crowd on far = too many occasions.
Gary
+ACI-Rich+ACI- +ADwAQAA+- wrote in message =
news:428eb385+AEA-w3.nls.net...
I find it hard to believe you can be such an idiot and not know =
it. Read over your spin in this thread starting with your claims that =
everyone except the itunes store is a loser. You are saying more than = the
obvious that apple's investment in their itunes store is a bet. I = can't
believe you have the audacity to state in one sentence that you = are voicing
no opinion on the itunes store both after doing so and = before doing so again.
You are spinning so fast you can't see.
As for your follow on bullshit, there is no lock in and never =
was. Unlike apple, Microsoft provides choice. Go ahead, continue your =
dishonesty, and pretend you have none. Make sure you mention how you = have no
choice everytime you mention your use any of the very large set = of
non-Microsoft hardware, software, and services Microsoft enables for = Windows.
Rich
+ACI-Mike '/m'+ACI- +ADw-mike+AEA-barkto.com+AD4- wrote in message =
news:mg5t819ipve721e41u345o5l2ebiv5p3ev+AEA-4ax.com...
+AD4- Keep spinning if that is what you need to live with =
yourself.
I live with myself just fine Rich. I find no need to let =
computers
affect my living situation. But I have to wonder why you are
projecting?
+AD4- Do you really think the itunes store would sell the same =
if apple did not lock in ipod users so that this was the only store they = can
use?
I voice no opinion on the iTunes store. I merely say that Apple's =
focus
is on iTunes and not necessarily iPod. iPod is the means, iTunes =
is
the end. And Microsoft is the also-ran, perhaps not even that.
Probably more of +ACI-too late to the party+ACI-.
Whenever Microsoft feels the need to trot out Mr. Gates to expound =
upon
some +ACI-new direction+ACI-, I know that Microsft has found =
themelves behind
the market leader and have belatedly realized that they need to =
try to
catch up.
+AD4APg- If users are not locked in, why would they pick the =
itunes store?
Coming from a Microsoft employee, that is a very interesting =
comment. =20
I mean, if the users were not locked into Windows, would they have
chosen IE over Netscape? It seems that Microsoft execs' emails =
entered
as evidence in the anti-trist trials have stated that Microsoft =
needed
to leverage the Windows monopoly in order to make IE the defacto =
browser
+ACI-of choice+ACI-. =20
If the users were not locked in, would they choose WIndows Media =
in the
percentages that they currently do?
/m+ADw-probably not...+AD4-
On Fri, 20 May 2005 18:56:30 -0700, +ACI-Rich+ACI- +ADwAQAA+- =
wrote:
+AD4- Keep spinning if that is what you need to live with =
yourself.
+AD4-
+AD4- Do you really think the itunes store would sell the same =
if apple did not lock in ipod users so that this was the only store they = can
use?
+AD4-
+AD4- If users are not locked in, why would they pick the itunes =
store?
+AD4-
+AD4-Rich
+AD4-
+AD4- +ACI-Mike '/m'+ACI- +ADw-mike+AEA-barkto.com+AD4- wrote in =
message news:s93t81dqsvf1bvef5vjpukf6n5ukvof7dp+AEA-4ax.com...
+AD4-
+AD4- It must really suck for your employer to be the loser in =
the online
+AD4- music race, eh Rich?
+AD4-
+AD4- Despite what you are trying to spin me as saying, I am =
actually saying
+AD4- that Apple is betting on iTunes (an/or its video =
successor), not iPod.
+AD4- I say no more or no less. Despite what you try to spin.
+AD4-
+AD4- Give those rotator cuffs a rest for a change, will ya?
+AD4-
+AD4- /m
+AD4-
+AD4-
+AD4-
+AD4-
+AD4-
+AD4- On Fri, 20 May 2005 17:15:01 -0700, +ACI-Rich+ACI- =
+ADwAQAA+- wrote:
+AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- If you weren't blinded by your agenda, mike, you =
could see the obvious and how silly you sound.
+AD4- +AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- Why will phones win out, for the same reason phones =
are winning over many PDA users? Why carry two devices when you can = carry
one?
+AD4- +AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- Apple will follow Microsoft and I believe real in =
getting their software onto phones. There is a difference from the = ipod.
Unless apple restricts their OEM licensees from offering their = users multiple
choices, the phone manufacturers and carriers have no = reason to lock in their
customers to the itunes store like apple does.
+AD4- +AD4-
+AD4- +AD4-Rich
+AD4- +AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- +ACI-Mike '/m'+ACI- +ADw-mike+AEA-barkto.com+AD4- =
wrote in message news:55ns81lbitvndvtrbj4407ueh8f7cbm5bo+AEA-4ax.com...
+AD4- +AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- It's not iPod that Apple is betting on, but iTunes =
(and its video
+AD4- +AD4- follow-up). Apple is already putting iPod software =
on cell phones to
+AD4- +AD4- allow them to access iTunes.
+AD4- +AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- Gates' comment was more of a specious smokescreen =
than anything else.
+AD4- +AD4- Apple caught him napping in this space, and now he =
has to look like he
+AD4- +AD4- was out in front all along.
+AD4- +AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- /m
+AD4- +AD4-
+AD4- +AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- On Fri, 20 May 2005 14:01:23 +010-, Adam =
+ADw-mmmmm+AF8-beer+AF8-mmmm+AF8-donuts+AEA-moes+AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- wrote:
+AD4- +AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-Randy wrote:
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4APg- I just 1 GB on my phone via miniSD-and I =
want MORE....
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4APg-=20
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4APg- 500 of AAC-encoded songs-sweet+ACE-
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4APg-=20
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-Ditto. I agree with Gates that the Ipod won't =
last +ACY- that the phones=20
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-will eat it's lunch. I have a nokia 6230 which =
I got coz it has an MP3=20
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-player +ACY- an fm radio....
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-A mondo bizarro bit is that if you are =
listening to the radio or the mp3=20
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-player +ACY- someone calls you get the selected =
ringing tones....so if like=20
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-me you often set your phone to silent for =
meetings etc +ACY- then +ACI-forget+ACI-=20
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-to re-enable the ringer....then you are left =
wondering what's going on=20
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-coz the music/radio just suddenly =
goes....silent....
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4APA-G+AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-I had a look at the smart phones (Pocket pc, =
symbian etc) +ACY- was very=20
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-impressed but +AEA- the end of the day...I just =
wanted music radio +ACY- a=20
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-nice neat (small) phone.
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-I like the way most of them now try wifi first =
for any net related things.
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-I reckon we're 2-3 years out from most people's =
+ACI-personal+ACI- computer=20
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-being the smartphone in their pocket.
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-Adam
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=
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net+ADw-/A+AD4-...+ADw-/DIV+AD4-
+ADw-DIV+AD4-Its true MS provides more +ACI-choice+ACI- than =
Apple.+ACY-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- However,=20
Microsoft provides much LESS choice than they should, =
IMHO.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- Also, there=20
is a qualitative difference to providing choice on things AFTER the =
Monopoly=20
was leveraged to kill off the meaningful competition in a particular=20
area.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- +ADw-/DIV+AD4-
+ADw-DIV+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADsAPA-/DIV+AD4-
+ADw-DIV+AD4-Apple isn't a monopoly so they have no duty to provide =
choice and they=20
don't that's for sure.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- Microsoft, because of its =
Monopoly, does need to=20
provide a lot of choice.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- I believe Microsoft still takes =
improper=20
advantage of its Monopoly on operating systems and distribution to =
leverage=20
their applications.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- Use of undisclosed undocumented =
API's, etc.=20
+ACY-nbsp+ADs-I'm sure its still the norm at MS.+ADw-/DIV+AD4-
+ADw-DIV+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADsAPA-/DIV+AD4-
+ADw-DIV+AD4-So while its true MS provides more choice than Apple, it =
provides far=20
less choice than it should because it should be a far more regulated =
monopoly=20
than it has been so far.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- Sporkin had the right ideas and =
solutions, and=20
MS bought off and out negotiated+ACY-nbsp+ADs-the Clinton crowd on far =
too many=20
occasions.+ADw-/DIV+AD4-
+ADw-DIV+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADsAPA-/DIV+AD4-
+ADw-DIV+AD4-Gary+ADw-/DIV+AD4-
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+ADw-DIV+AD4AIg-Rich+ACI- +ACY-lt+ADsAQAAm-gt+ADs- wrote in message =
+ADw-A=20
=
href+AD0AIg-news:428eb385+AEA-w3.nls.net+ACIAPg-news:428eb385+AEA-w3.nls.=
net+ADw-/A+AD4-...+ADw-/DIV+AD4-
+ADw-DIV+AD4APA-FONT face+AD0-Arial =
size+AD0-2+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- I find it hard to believe you = can=20
be such an idiot and not know it.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- Read over your spin =
in this thread=20
starting with your claims that everyone except the itunes store is a =
loser.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- You are saying more than the obvious that =
apple's investment in=20
their itunes store is a bet.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- I can't believe you have =
the audacity to=20
state in one sentence that you are voicing no opinion on the itunes =
store=20
both after doing so and before doing so again.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- You are =
spinning so=20
fast you can't see.+ADw-/FONT+AD4APA-/DIV+AD4-
+ADw-DIV+AD4APA-FONT face+AD0-Arial =
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+ADw-DIV+AD4APA-FONT face+AD0-Arial =
size+AD0-2+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- As for your follow on bullshit,=20
there is no lock in and never was.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- Unlike apple, =
Microsoft provides=20
choice.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- Go ahead, continue your =
dishonesty,+ACY-nbsp+ADs-and pretend you have=20
none.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- Make sure you mention how you have no choice =
everytime you=20
mention your use any of the very large set =
of+ACY-nbsp+ADs-non-Microsoft hardware,=20
software, and services Microsoft enables for =
Windows.+ADw-/FONT+AD4APA-/DIV+AD4-
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+ADw-DIV+AD4AIg-Mike '/m'+ACI- +ACY-lt+ADsAPA-A=20
=
href+AD0AIg-mailto:mike+AEA-barkto.com+ACIAPg-mike+AEA-barkto.com+ADw-/A+=
AD4AJg-gt+ADs- wrote in message +ADw-A=20
=
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Keep spinning if that is what you need to live with =
yourself.+ADw-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4-I=20
live with myself just fine Rich.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- I find no need to =
let=20
computers+ADw-BR+AD4-affect my living situation.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- But =
I have to wonder why=20
you =
are+ADw-BR+AD4-projecting?+ADw-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nb=
sp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- Do you really think the=20
itunes store would sell the same if apple did not lock in ipod =
users so=20
that this was the only store they can use?+ADw-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4-I =
voice no opinion on=20
the iTunes store.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- I merely say that Apple's =
focus+ADw-BR+AD4-is on iTunes=20
and not necessarily iPod.+ACY-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- iPod is the =
means, iTunes is+ADw-BR+AD4-the=20
end.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- And Microsoft is the also-ran, perhaps not even =
that.+ADw-BR+AD4-Probably more of +ACI-too late to the =
party+ACI-.+ADw-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4-Whenever=20
Microsoft feels the need to trot out Mr. Gates to expound =
upon+ADw-BR+AD4-some=20
+ACI-new direction+ACI-, I know that Microsft has found themelves =
behind+ADw-BR+AD4-the=20
market leader and have belatedly realized that they need to try=20
to+ADw-BR+AD4-catch =
up.+ADw-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs- If = users
are not locked in, why=20
would they pick the itunes store?+ADw-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4-Coming from =
a Microsoft employee,=20
that is a very interesting comment.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- =
+ADw-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4-I mean, if the users=20
were not locked into Windows, would they have+ADw-BR+AD4-chosen IE =
over=20
Netscape?+ACY-nbsp+ADs- It seems that Microsoft execs' emails =
entered+ADw-BR+AD4-as=20
evidence in the anti-trist trials have stated that Microsoft =
needed+ADw-BR+AD4-to=20
leverage the Windows monopoly in order to make IE the defacto=20
browser+ADw-BR+AD4AIg-of choice+ACI-.+ACY-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ADw-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4-If the users were not locked=20
in, would they choose WIndows Media in the+ADw-BR+AD4-percentages =
that they=20
currently =
do?+ADw-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADs-/m+ACY-lt+ADs-probably =
not...+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4-On=20
Fri, 20 May 2005 18:56:30 -0700, +ACI-Rich+ACI- =
+ACY-lt+ADsAQAAm-gt+ADs-=20
wrote:+ADw-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
Keep spinning if that is what you need to=20
live with =
yourself.+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+AD=
s- Do you really think the=20
itunes store would sell the same if apple did not lock in ipod =
users so=20
that this was the only store they can =
use?+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- = If=20
users are not locked in, why would they pick the itunes=20
=
store?+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADs-Rich+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADs=
APA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACI-Mike '/m'+ACI- +ACY-lt+ADsAPA-A=20
=
href+AD0AIg-mailto:mike+AEA-barkto.com+ACIAPg-mike+AEA-barkto.com+ADw-/A+=
AD4AJg-gt+ADs- wrote in message +ADw-A=20
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It must really suck for your employer to be the loser in the=20
online+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- music race, eh =
Rich?+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- Despite=20
what you are trying to spin me as saying, I am actually=20
saying+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- that Apple is betting on =
iTunes (an/or its video=20
successor), not iPod.+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- I say no =
more or no less.+ACY-nbsp+ADs-=20
Despite what you try to =
spin.+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- Give those =
rotator=20
cuffs a rest for a change, will =
ya?+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
=
/m+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4=
AJg-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- On Fri, = 20
May=20
2005 17:15:01 -0700, +ACI-Rich+ACI- +ACY-lt+ADsAQAAm-gt+ADs- =
wrote:+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- If you weren't blinded by =
your agenda, mike, you could=20
see the obvious and how silly you =
sound.+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- Why will phones win out, for =
the same reason phones are=20
winning over many PDA users?+ACY-nbsp+ADs- Why carry two devices =
when you can=20
carry one?+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- Apple will=20
follow Microsoft and I believe real in getting their software onto =
phones.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- There is a difference from the =
ipod.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- Unless apple=20
restricts their OEM licensees from offering their users multiple =
choices,=20
the phone manufacturers and carriers have no reason to lock in =
their=20
customers to the itunes store like apple =
does.+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADs-Rich+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
+ACI-Mike '/m'+ACI- +ACY-lt+ADsAPA-A =
href+AD0AIg-mailto:mike+AEA-barkto.com+ACIAPg-mike+AEA-barkto.com+ADw-/A+=
AD4AJg-gt+ADs-=20
wrote in message +ADw-A=20
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href+AD0AIg-news:55ns81lbitvndvtrbj4407ueh8f7cbm5bo+AEA-4ax.com+ACIAPg-ne=
ws:55ns81lbitvndvtrbj4407ueh8f7cbm5bo+AEA-4ax.com+ADw-/A+AD4-...+ADw-BR+A=
D4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- It's not iPod that Apple is betting on, but=20
iTunes (and its video+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- follow-up).+ACY-nbsp+ADs- Apple is=20
already putting iPod software on cell phones =
to+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
allow them to access iTunes.+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
Gates' comment was more of a specious smokescreen than anything=20
else.+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
Apple caught him napping in this space, and=20
now he has to look like he+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- was out in front all=20
along.+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
/m+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- On =
Fri, 20 May 2005=20
14:01:23 +010-, Adam +ACY-lt+ADsAPA-A=20
=
href+AD0AIg-mailto:mmmmm+AF8-beer+AF8-mmmm+AF8-donuts+AEA-moes+ACIAPg-mmm=
mm+AF8-beer+AF8-mmmm+AF8-donuts+AEA-moes+ADw-/A+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJ=
g-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- wrote:+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADs-Randy=20
wrote:+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs- I=20
just 1 GB on my phone via miniSD-and I want =
MORE....+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs- =
+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs- 500 of AAC-encoded=20
songs-sweet+ACEAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs- =
+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-Ditto. I agree with Gates that the =
Ipod=20
won't last +ACY-amp+ADs- that the phones =
+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADs-will eat=20
it's lunch. I have a nokia 6230 which I got coz it has an MP3=20
+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADs-player +ACY-amp+ADs- an fm =
radio....+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADs-A mondo bizarro bit is that=20
if you are listening to the radio or the mp3 =
+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
+ACY-gt+ADs-player +ACY-amp+ADs- someone calls you get the =
selected ringing tones....so if=20
like +ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADs-me you often set your phone to silent=20
for meetings etc +ACY-amp+ADs- then +ACI-forget+ACI- =
+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADs-to=20
re-enable the ringer....then you are left wondering what's going =
on=20
+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADs-coz the music/radio just suddenly=20
goes....silent....+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
=
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-lt+ADs-G+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-I=20
had a look at the smart phones (Pocket pc, symbian etc) =
+ACY-amp+ADs- was very=20
+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADs-impressed but +AEA- the end of the day...I just=20
wanted music radio +ACY-amp+ADs- a =
+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADs-nice neat (small)=20
phone.+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADs-I like=20
the way most of them now try wifi first for any net related=20
things.+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADs-I=20
reckon we're 2-3 years out from most people's +ACI-personal+ACI- =
computer=20
+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADs-being the smartphone in their=20
pocket.+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
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