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Skriven 2005-05-21 14:01:32 av Gary Britt (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Music players and phones
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From: "Gary Britt" <zotu@nospamforme.com>
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+ADw-smile+AD4-. In general I'm not in favor of monopolies, however, if =
a monopoly is allowed to exist then some regulation or break up or = something
is going to be necessary, because market forces aren't capable = of properly
dealing with a monopoly in the short and intermediate terms = of its existence.
Gary
+ACI-Robert G Lewis+ACI- +ADw-r.g.lewis+AEA-comcast.net+AD4- wrote in =
message news:428f727a+ACQ-1+AEA-w3.nls.net...
Holy +ACoAJgAmAF4- I never thought I'd see Gary make a positive =
statement about regulation +ADw-g+AD4-.
I agree with almost everything you say here. ( MS makes =
'contributions' to anyone with power).
Bob Lewis
+ACI-Gary Britt+ACI- +ADw-zotu+AEA-nospamforme.com+AD4- wrote in =
message news:428eb68c+AEA-w3.nls.net...
Its true MS provides more +ACI-choice+ACI- than Apple. However, =
Microsoft provides much LESS choice than they should, IMHO. Also, there = is a
qualitative difference to providing choice on things AFTER the = Monopoly was
leveraged to kill off the meaningful competition in a = particular area. =20
Apple isn't a monopoly so they have no duty to provide choice and =
they don't that's for sure. Microsoft, because of its Monopoly, does = need to
provide a lot of choice. I believe Microsoft still takes = improper advantage
of its Monopoly on operating systems and distribution = to leverage their
applications. Use of undisclosed undocumented API's, = etc. I'm sure its
still the norm at MS.
So while its true MS provides more choice than Apple, it provides =
far less choice than it should because it should be a far more regulated =
monopoly than it has been so far. Sporkin had the right ideas and = solutions,
and MS bought off and out negotiated the Clinton crowd on far = too many
occasions.
Gary
+ACI-Rich+ACI- +ADwAQAA+- wrote in message =
news:428eb385+AEA-w3.nls.net...
I find it hard to believe you can be such an idiot and not know =
it. Read over your spin in this thread starting with your claims that =
everyone except the itunes store is a loser. You are saying more than = the
obvious that apple's investment in their itunes store is a bet. I = can't
believe you have the audacity to state in one sentence that you = are voicing
no opinion on the itunes store both after doing so and = before doing so again.
You are spinning so fast you can't see.
As for your follow on bullshit, there is no lock in and never =
was. Unlike apple, Microsoft provides choice. Go ahead, continue your =
dishonesty, and pretend you have none. Make sure you mention how you = have no
choice everytime you mention your use any of the very large set = of
non-Microsoft hardware, software, and services Microsoft enables for = Windows.
Rich
+ACI-Mike '/m'+ACI- +ADw-mike+AEA-barkto.com+AD4- wrote in =
message news:mg5t819ipve721e41u345o5l2ebiv5p3ev+AEA-4ax.com...
+AD4- Keep spinning if that is what you need to live with =
yourself.
I live with myself just fine Rich. I find no need to let =
computers
affect my living situation. But I have to wonder why you are
projecting?
+AD4- Do you really think the itunes store would sell the same =
if apple did not lock in ipod users so that this was the only store they = can
use?
I voice no opinion on the iTunes store. I merely say that =
Apple's focus
is on iTunes and not necessarily iPod. iPod is the means, =
iTunes is
the end. And Microsoft is the also-ran, perhaps not even that.
Probably more of +ACI-too late to the party+ACI-.
Whenever Microsoft feels the need to trot out Mr. Gates to =
expound upon
some +ACI-new direction+ACI-, I know that Microsft has found =
themelves behind
the market leader and have belatedly realized that they need to =
try to
catch up.
+AD4APg- If users are not locked in, why would they pick the =
itunes store?
Coming from a Microsoft employee, that is a very interesting =
comment. =20
I mean, if the users were not locked into Windows, would they =
have
chosen IE over Netscape? It seems that Microsoft execs' emails =
entered
as evidence in the anti-trist trials have stated that Microsoft =
needed
to leverage the Windows monopoly in order to make IE the defacto =
browser
+ACI-of choice+ACI-. =20
If the users were not locked in, would they choose WIndows Media =
in the
percentages that they currently do?
/m+ADw-probably not...+AD4-
On Fri, 20 May 2005 18:56:30 -0700, +ACI-Rich+ACI- +ADwAQAA+- =
wrote:
+AD4- Keep spinning if that is what you need to live with =
yourself.
+AD4-
+AD4- Do you really think the itunes store would sell the same =
if apple did not lock in ipod users so that this was the only store they = can
use?
+AD4-
+AD4- If users are not locked in, why would they pick the =
itunes store?
+AD4-
+AD4-Rich
+AD4-
+AD4- +ACI-Mike '/m'+ACI- +ADw-mike+AEA-barkto.com+AD4- wrote =
in message news:s93t81dqsvf1bvef5vjpukf6n5ukvof7dp+AEA-4ax.com...
+AD4-
+AD4- It must really suck for your employer to be the loser in =
the online
+AD4- music race, eh Rich?
+AD4-
+AD4- Despite what you are trying to spin me as saying, I am =
actually saying
+AD4- that Apple is betting on iTunes (an/or its video =
successor), not iPod.
+AD4- I say no more or no less. Despite what you try to spin.
+AD4-
+AD4- Give those rotator cuffs a rest for a change, will ya?
+AD4-
+AD4- /m
+AD4-
+AD4-
+AD4-
+AD4-
+AD4-
+AD4- On Fri, 20 May 2005 17:15:01 -0700, +ACI-Rich+ACI- =
+ADwAQAA+- wrote:
+AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- If you weren't blinded by your agenda, mike, you =
could see the obvious and how silly you sound.
+AD4- +AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- Why will phones win out, for the same reason =
phones are winning over many PDA users? Why carry two devices when you = can
carry one?
+AD4- +AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- Apple will follow Microsoft and I believe real in =
getting their software onto phones. There is a difference from the = ipod.
Unless apple restricts their OEM licensees from offering their = users multiple
choices, the phone manufacturers and carriers have no = reason to lock in their
customers to the itunes store like apple does.
+AD4- +AD4-
+AD4- +AD4-Rich
+AD4- +AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- +ACI-Mike '/m'+ACI- +ADw-mike+AEA-barkto.com+AD4- =
wrote in message news:55ns81lbitvndvtrbj4407ueh8f7cbm5bo+AEA-4ax.com...
+AD4- +AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- It's not iPod that Apple is betting on, but iTunes =
(and its video
+AD4- +AD4- follow-up). Apple is already putting iPod =
software on cell phones to
+AD4- +AD4- allow them to access iTunes.
+AD4- +AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- Gates' comment was more of a specious smokescreen =
than anything else.
+AD4- +AD4- Apple caught him napping in this space, and now he =
has to look like he
+AD4- +AD4- was out in front all along.
+AD4- +AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- /m
+AD4- +AD4-
+AD4- +AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- On Fri, 20 May 2005 14:01:23 +010-, Adam =
+ADw-mmmmm+AF8-beer+AF8-mmmm+AF8-donuts+AEA-moes+AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- wrote:
+AD4- +AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-Randy wrote:
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4APg- I just 1 GB on my phone via miniSD-and I =
want MORE....
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4APg-=20
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4APg- 500 of AAC-encoded songs-sweet+ACE-
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4APg-=20
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-Ditto. I agree with Gates that the Ipod won't =
last +ACY- that the phones=20
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-will eat it's lunch. I have a nokia 6230 =
which I got coz it has an MP3=20
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-player +ACY- an fm radio....
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-A mondo bizarro bit is that if you are =
listening to the radio or the mp3=20
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-player +ACY- someone calls you get the =
selected ringing tones....so if like=20
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-me you often set your phone to silent for =
meetings etc +ACY- then +ACI-forget+ACI-=20
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-to re-enable the ringer....then you are left =
wondering what's going on=20
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-coz the music/radio just suddenly =
goes....silent....
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4APA-G+AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-I had a look at the smart phones (Pocket pc, =
symbian etc) +ACY- was very=20
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-impressed but +AEA- the end of the day...I =
just wanted music radio +ACY- a=20
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-nice neat (small) phone.
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-I like the way most of them now try wifi =
first for any net related things.
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-I reckon we're 2-3 years out from most =
people's +ACI-personal+ACI- computer=20
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-being the smartphone in their pocket.
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-Adam
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+ADw-DIV+AD4-Its true MS provides more +ACI-choice+ACI- than =
Apple.+ACY-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- However,=20
Microsoft provides much LESS choice than they should, =
IMHO.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- Also,=20
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AFTER the=20
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+ADw-DIV+AD4-Apple isn't a monopoly so they have no duty to provide =
choice and they=20
don't that's for sure.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- Microsoft, because of its =
Monopoly, does need=20
to provide a lot of choice.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- I believe Microsoft still =
takes improper=20
advantage of its Monopoly on operating systems and distribution to =
leverage=20
their applications.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- Use of undisclosed undocumented =
API's, etc.=20
+ACY-nbsp+ADs-I'm sure its still the norm at MS.+ADw-/DIV+AD4-
+ADw-DIV+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADsAPA-/DIV+AD4-
+ADw-DIV+AD4-So while its true MS provides more choice than Apple, =
it provides far=20
less choice than it should because it should be a far more regulated =
monopoly than it has been so far.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- Sporkin had the =
right ideas and=20
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Clinton crowd on=20
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+ADw-DIV+AD4AIg-Rich+ACI- +ACY-lt+ADsAQAAm-gt+ADs- wrote in =
message +ADw-A=20
=
href+AD0AIg-news:428eb385+AEA-w3.nls.net+ACIAPg-news:428eb385+AEA-w3.nls.=
net+ADw-/A+AD4-...+ADw-/DIV+AD4-
+ADw-DIV+AD4APA-FONT face+AD0-Arial =
size+AD0-2+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- I find it hard to believe you=20
can be such an idiot and not know it.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- Read over your =
spin in this=20
thread starting with your claims that everyone except the itunes =
store is=20
a loser.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- You are saying more than the obvious that =
apple's=20
investment in their itunes store is a bet.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- I can't =
believe you have=20
the audacity to state in one sentence that you are voicing no =
opinion on=20
the itunes store both after doing so and before doing so =
again.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- You=20
are spinning so fast you can't see.+ADw-/FONT+AD4APA-/DIV+AD4-
+ADw-DIV+AD4APA-FONT face+AD0-Arial =
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+ADw-DIV+AD4APA-FONT face+AD0-Arial =
size+AD0-2+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- As for your follow on bullshit,=20
there is no lock in and never was.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- Unlike apple, =
Microsoft provides=20
choice.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- Go ahead, continue your =
dishonesty,+ACY-nbsp+ADs-and pretend you=20
have none.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- Make sure you mention how you have no =
choice everytime=20
you mention your use any of the very large set =
of+ACY-nbsp+ADs-non-Microsoft=20
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AD4AJg-gt+ADs- wrote in message=20
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Keep spinning if that is what you need to live with =
yourself.+ADw-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4-I=20
live with myself just fine Rich.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- I find no need to =
let=20
computers+ADw-BR+AD4-affect my living situation.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- =
But I have to wonder why=20
you =
are+ADw-BR+AD4-projecting?+ADw-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nb=
sp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- Do you really think=20
the itunes store would sell the same if apple did not lock in =
ipod users=20
so that this was the only store they can =
use?+ADw-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4-I voice no opinion=20
on the iTunes store.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- I merely say that Apple's =
focus+ADw-BR+AD4-is on=20
iTunes and not necessarily iPod.+ACY-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- iPod =
is the means, iTunes=20
is+ADw-BR+AD4-the end.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- And Microsoft is the =
also-ran, perhaps not even=20
that.+ADw-BR+AD4-Probably more of +ACI-too late to the =
party+ACI-.+ADw-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4-Whenever=20
Microsoft feels the need to trot out Mr. Gates to expound =
upon+ADw-BR+AD4-some=20
+ACI-new direction+ACI-, I know that Microsft has found =
themelves behind+ADw-BR+AD4-the=20
market leader and have belatedly realized that they need to try=20
to+ADw-BR+AD4-catch =
up.+ADw-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs- If = users
are not locked in, why=20
would they pick the itunes store?+ADw-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4-Coming =
from a Microsoft=20
employee, that is a very interesting comment.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- =
+ADw-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4-I mean, if=20
the users were not locked into Windows, would they =
have+ADw-BR+AD4-chosen IE=20
over Netscape?+ACY-nbsp+ADs- It seems that Microsoft execs' =
emails entered+ADw-BR+AD4-as=20
evidence in the anti-trist trials have stated that Microsoft=20
needed+ADw-BR+AD4-to leverage the Windows monopoly in order to =
make IE the=20
defacto browser+ADw-BR+AD4AIg-of =
choice+ACI-.+ACY-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ADw-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4-If the = users
were=20
not locked in, would they choose WIndows Media in =
the+ADw-BR+AD4-percentages=20
that they currently =
do?+ADw-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4AJg-nbsp+ADs-/m+ACY-lt+ADs-probably=20
not...+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4-On =
Fri, 20 May 2005 18:56:30 -0700, +ACI-Rich+ACI-=20
+ACY-lt+ADsAQAAm-gt+ADs- =
wrote:+ADw-BR+AD4APA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- Keep = spinning
if that is what=20
you need to live with =
yourself.+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+AD=
s- Do you=20
really think the itunes store would sell the same if apple did =
not lock=20
in ipod users so that this was the only store they can=20
=
use?+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- = If
users are not locked in, why would=20
they pick the itunes =
store?+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADs-Rich+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADs=
APA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
+ACI-Mike '/m'+ACI- +ACY-lt+ADsAPA-A =
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It must really suck for your employer to be the loser in the=20
online+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- music race, eh =
Rich?+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- Despite=20
what you are trying to spin me as saying, I am actually=20
saying+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- that Apple is betting =
on iTunes (an/or its video=20
successor), not iPod.+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- I say no =
more or no less.+ACY-nbsp+ADs-=20
Despite what you try to =
spin.+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- Give those =
rotator=20
cuffs a rest for a change, will =
ya?+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
=
/m+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4=
AJg-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- On Fri, = 20
May=20
2005 17:15:01 -0700, +ACI-Rich+ACI- +ACY-lt+ADsAQAAm-gt+ADs- =
wrote:+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- If you weren't blinded by =
your agenda, mike, you could=20
see the obvious and how silly you =
sound.+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- Why will phones win out, for the=20
same reason phones are winning over many PDA =
users?+ACY-nbsp+ADs- Why carry two=20
devices when you can carry =
one?+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- Apple will follow Microsoft =
and I believe real in=20
getting their software onto phones.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- There is a =
difference from the=20
ipod.+ACY-nbsp+ADs- Unless apple restricts their OEM licensees =
from offering=20
their users multiple choices, the phone manufacturers and =
carriers have=20
no reason to lock in their customers to the itunes store like =
apple=20
does.+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADs-Rich+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACI-Mike '/m'+ACI- +ACY-lt+ADsAPA-A=20
=
href+AD0AIg-mailto:mike+AEA-barkto.com+ACIAPg-mike+AEA-barkto.com+ADw-/A+=
AD4AJg-gt+ADs- wrote in message=20
+ADw-A=20
=
href+AD0AIg-news:55ns81lbitvndvtrbj4407ueh8f7cbm5bo+AEA-4ax.com+ACIAPg-ne=
ws:55ns81lbitvndvtrbj4407ueh8f7cbm5bo+AEA-4ax.com+ADw-/A+AD4-...+ADw-BR+A=
D4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- It's not iPod that Apple is betting on,=20
but iTunes (and its video+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- follow-up).+ACY-nbsp+ADs-=20
Apple is already putting iPod software on cell phones =
to+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- allow them to access =
iTunes.+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- Gates' comment was more of a specious =
smokescreen than=20
anything else.+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- Apple caught him napping in this=20
space, and now he has to look like =
he+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- was out=20
in front all along.+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
/m+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- On =
Fri, 20 May 2005 14:01:23 +010-, Adam +ACY-lt+ADsAPA-A=20
=
href+AD0AIg-mailto:mmmmm+AF8-beer+AF8-mmmm+AF8-donuts+AEA-moes+ACIAPg-mmm=
mm+AF8-beer+AF8-mmmm+AF8-donuts+AEA-moes+ADw-/A+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJ=
g-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
wrote:+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADs-Randy=20
wrote:+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs- I=20
just 1 GB on my phone via miniSD-and I want =
MORE....+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs- =
+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs- 500 of=20
AAC-encoded songs-sweet+ACEAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-gt+ADs-=20
+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADs-Ditto. I=20
agree with Gates that the Ipod won't last +ACY-amp+ADs- that the =
phones=20
+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADs-will eat it's lunch. I have a nokia 6230=20
which I got coz it has an MP3 +ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-player +ACY-amp+ADs-=20
an fm radio....+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
+ACY-gt+ADs-A mondo bizarro bit is that if you are listening to =
the radio or the=20
mp3 +ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADs-player +ACY-amp+ADs- someone calls you get the=20
selected ringing tones....so if like =
+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADs-me=20
you often set your phone to silent for meetings etc =
+ACY-amp+ADs- then +ACI-forget+ACI-=20
+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADs-to re-enable the ringer....then you are=20
left wondering what's going on =
+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADs-coz the=20
music/radio just suddenly =
goes....silent....+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-lt+ADs-G+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-I had a look at the smart phones=20
(Pocket pc, symbian etc) +ACY-amp+ADs- was very =
+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
+ACY-gt+ADs-impressed but +AEA- the end of the day...I just =
wanted music radio +ACY-amp+ADs-=20
a +ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADs-nice neat (small) phone.+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADs-I like the way most of them=20
now try wifi first for any net related =
things.+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
+ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADs-I reckon we're 2-3 years out from =
most=20
people's +ACI-personal+ACI- computer =
+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADs-being the=20
smartphone in their pocket.+ADw-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- =
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs- +ACY-gt+ADsAPA-BR+AD4AJg-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
+ACY-gt+ADsAJg-nbsp+ADs-=20
+ACY-gt+ADs-Adam+ADw-BR+AD4APA-/BLOCKQUOTE+AD4APA-/BLOCKQUOTE+AD4APA-/BLO=
CKQUOTE+AD4APA-/BLOCKQUOTE+AD4APA-/BODY+AD4APA-/HTML+AD4-
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