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Skriven 2005-05-25 18:39:50 av RobertB. (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 4388 av Rich (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Music players and phones
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From: "RobertB." <rb28@nyu.edu>

I'm not sure if this is legally correct. However, I would add that Apple plays
within the "PC" universe and competes with other hardware and software
manufacturers. They now have about 3.5% of that market, not enough for a
monopoly I would say. Sure, if you want to buy OS X, you have to buy it from
Apple, but who says you have to buy OS X? You also have to buy Photoshop from
Adobe.



In article <42935e90@w3.nls.net>, "Rich" <@> wrote:

>    I think it only matters within the scope of the market and not the size of
>    the defined market. The size of the market may matter in determining who
>    cares not whether "monopoly power" exists.  Consider someone that needs or
>    wants macos, they have only one choice of a provider for the computer
>    system.  It may not matter to you but it should matter to that person.
>
>    In regard to your last question, I think not at all.
>
> Rich
>
>   "RobertB." <rb28@nyu.edu> wrote in message
>   news:rb28-0EEEDD.11410924052005@w3.nls.net...
>   That may be so, but there is an also an economic factor that is taken
>   into consideration. A company that monopolizes an industry with $100K of
>   sales per year would hardly be a candidate for monopoly status. Also,
>   unless I'm mistaken, doesn't a monopoly imply a considerable amount of
>   vertical integration? You not only own the coal fields, you own the
>   railroad that transports the coal and the tracks the trains run on.
>
>   r.
>
>   In article <42928de5@w3.nls.net>, "Rich" <@> wrote:
>
>   >    Not true for multiple reasons.  One is that percentages don't matter.
>   >    Another is that you can play number games and define the market
>   >    however
>   >    you wish.  During the Microsoft trial the market was defined narrowly
>   >    to
>   >    include only single user computers with a video display, keyboard, and
>   >    Intel x86 processor so as to exclude computer from apple, sun, PDAs,
>   >    servers, and pretty much anything that does not run Windows.  Do the
>   >    same
>   >    here and you see that apple has 100% of the the market for computers
>   >    that
>   >    run macos software.
>   >
>   > Rich
>   >
>   >   "RobertB." <rb28@nyu.edu> wrote in message
>   >   news:rb28-8DAD7D.16182223052005@w3.nls.net...
>   >   Apple owns only 3+% of the market for PCs. They can't be a monopoly by
>   >   definition.
>   >
>   >
>   >   In article <42909834$1@w3.nls.net>, "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote:
>   >
>   >   > "Mike '/m'" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message
>   >   > news:ib119159n04nd7q414l4g84l09o643gla6@4ax.com...
>   >   >
>   >   > > Apple is definitely something with regard to OS/X, but I don't
>   >   > > think
>   >   > > monopoly is the concept.
>   >   >
>   >   > If you write mac software it's a monopoly, if you are a customer then
>   >   > it's
>   >   > probably just really really proprietary.
>   >   >
>   >   > Before you argue with the term monopoly, remember the court case
>   >   > where
>   >   > apple
>   >   > sued microsoft for being a lookalike.. They even think like a
>   >   > monopoly.
>   >   >
>   >   > Geo.
>   >   >
>   >   >

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