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Text 480, 191 rader
Skriven 2004-09-06 18:15:00 av Rich (1:379/45)
    Kommentar till text 477 av Geo. (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Spammers faster than the good guys....
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From: "Rich" <@>

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   mike already reported that he has benefited and it is not true that =
everyone else on the planet has implemented checking.  That pretty much = shows
your nonsense for what it is.

Rich

  "Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:413d0665$1@w3.nls.net...
  I claimed for mike to benefit, everyone else on the planet (or at =
least a vast
  majority) would have to implement spf checking.

  Geo.

  "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:413c9097$1@w3.nls.net...
     So then you do believe that mike miller has benefited from =
publishing his
  specification?

     Or are you just whining again that your imagined claims are flawed?

  Rich

    "Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:413c8047$1@w3.nls.net...
    No, I'm saying that the vast majority of postmasters view SPF as a =
spam
    stopping technology which it is not, because they use the existence =
of an SPF
    text record as part of the scoring for emails the spammers have =
learned that
    they can reduce their scores by providing that text record and =
that's exactly
    what is happening.

    The flip side of the coin is that SPF was designed to prevent =
backscatter
    "attacks" but these weren't really attacks, the spammers just need a =
way to
    redirect backscatter away from themselves and SPF provides nothing =
to stop
  them
    from continuing to do that.

    Geo.

    "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:413c6d08$1@w3.nls.net...
       so you are claiming that mike miller's domain has had DNS spoofed =
to
  change
    the records to allow spam from his domain?

    Rich

      "Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:413c676d$3@w3.nls.net...
      "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:413abecc@w3.nls.net...

      >>   Furthermore, are you claiming that spammers are actually =
doing what
    george
      claimed which is to create their own domains and point their MX =
records at
    your
      SMTP server?  This latter should be simple to verify since the =
NDRs you
    receive
      would be for the spammer's domains and not yours and you can see =
their MX
      records.<<

      What the spammers are doing is following their spambots with =
dynamic spf
  DNS
      entries.

      Geo.




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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; mike already reported that =
he has=20
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checking.&nbsp; That pretty much shows your nonsense for what it=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV>"Geo." &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; wrote=20
  in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:413d0665$1@w3.nls.net">news:413d0665$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>I=20
  claimed for mike to benefit, everyone else on the planet (or at least =
a=20
  vast<BR>majority) would have to implement spf=20
  checking.<BR><BR>Geo.<BR><BR>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:413c9097$1@w3.nls.net">news:413c9097$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  So then you do believe that mike miller has benefited from publishing=20
  his<BR>specification?<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; Or are you just whining =
again that=20
  your imagined claims are flawed?<BR><BR>Rich<BR><BR>&nbsp; "Geo." =
&lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; wrote in =
message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:413c8047$1@w3.nls.net">news:413c8047$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&nbsp;=20
  No, I'm saying that the vast majority of postmasters view SPF as a=20
  spam<BR>&nbsp; stopping technology which it is not, because they use =
the=20
  existence of an SPF<BR>&nbsp; text record as part of the scoring for =
emails=20
  the spammers have learned that<BR>&nbsp; they can reduce their scores =
by=20
  providing that text record and that's exactly<BR>&nbsp; what is=20
  happening.<BR><BR>&nbsp; The flip side of the coin is that SPF was =
designed to=20
  prevent backscatter<BR>&nbsp; "attacks" but these weren't really =
attacks, the=20
  spammers just need a way to<BR>&nbsp; redirect backscatter away from=20
  themselves and SPF provides nothing to stop<BR>them<BR>&nbsp; from =
continuing=20
  to do that.<BR><BR>&nbsp; Geo.<BR><BR>&nbsp; "Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in =
message=20
  <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:413c6d08$1@w3.nls.net">news:413c6d08$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  so you are claiming that mike miller's domain has had DNS spoofed=20
  to<BR>change<BR>&nbsp; the records to allow spam from his=20
  domain?<BR><BR>&nbsp; Rich<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "Geo." &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; wrote in =
message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:413c676d$3@w3.nls.net">news:413c676d$3@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  "Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:413abecc@w3.nls.net">news:413abecc@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR><BR>=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  &gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Furthermore, are you claiming that spammers are =
actually=20
  doing what<BR>&nbsp; george<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; claimed which is to =
create=20
  their own domains and point their MX records at<BR>&nbsp;=20
  your<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; SMTP server?&nbsp; This latter should be =
simple to=20
  verify since the NDRs you<BR>&nbsp; receive<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
would be for=20
  the spammer's domains and not yours and you can see their=20
  MX<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; records.&lt;&lt;<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
What the=20
  spammers are doing is following their spambots with dynamic=20
  spf<BR>DNS<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; entries.<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  Geo.<BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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