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Skriven 2004-09-06 22:41:00 av Rich (1:379/45)
Kommentar till text 481 av Geo. (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Spammers faster than the good guys....
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From: "Rich" <@>
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Mike has not reported spammers doing anything you claimed they would =
do to him, either point MX records for their own domains to his SMTP = server
or hack his DNS entries to allow them to send from his domain = from
unauthorized machines. If you have evidence of either of these = then please
give the name of the domain and the identify of the modified = or invalid
entries so that we can all take a look. If they did not, why = would you lie
about this?
Rich
"Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message news:413d10a6@w3.nls.net...
He benefited until the spammers walked around the gate.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:413d0a85$1@w3.nls.net...
mike already reported that he has benefited and it is not true that =
everyone
else on the planet has implemented checking. That pretty much shows =
your
nonsense for what it is.
Rich
"Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:413d0665$1@w3.nls.net...
I claimed for mike to benefit, everyone else on the planet (or at =
least a
vast
majority) would have to implement spf checking.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:413c9097$1@w3.nls.net...
So then you do believe that mike miller has benefited from =
publishing his
specification?
Or are you just whining again that your imagined claims are =
flawed?
Rich
"Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:413c8047$1@w3.nls.net...
No, I'm saying that the vast majority of postmasters view SPF as a =
spam
stopping technology which it is not, because they use the =
existence of an
SPF
text record as part of the scoring for emails the spammers have =
learned
that
they can reduce their scores by providing that text record and =
that's
exactly
what is happening.
The flip side of the coin is that SPF was designed to prevent =
backscatter
"attacks" but these weren't really attacks, the spammers just need =
a way to
redirect backscatter away from themselves and SPF provides nothing =
to stop
them
from continuing to do that.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:413c6d08$1@w3.nls.net...
so you are claiming that mike miller's domain has had DNS =
spoofed to
change
the records to allow spam from his domain?
Rich
"Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:413c676d$3@w3.nls.net...
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:413abecc@w3.nls.net...
>> Furthermore, are you claiming that spammers are actually =
doing what
george
claimed which is to create their own domains and point their MX =
records
at
your
SMTP server? This latter should be simple to verify since the =
NDRs you
receive
would be for the spammer's domains and not yours and you can see =
their MX
records.<<
What the spammers are doing is following their spambots with =
dynamic spf
DNS
entries.
Geo.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Mike has not reported =
spammers doing=20
anything you claimed they would do to him, either point MX records for = their
own=20
domains to his SMTP server or hack his DNS entries to allow them to send =
from=20
his domain from unauthorized machines. If you have evidence of = either
of=20
these then please give the name of the domain and the identify of the =
modified=20
or invalid entries so that we can all take a look. If they did = not,
why=20
would you lie about this?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Geo." <<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>> wrote=20
in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:413d10a6@w3.nls.net">news:413d10a6@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>He=
=20
benefited until the spammers walked around the =
gate.<BR><BR>Geo.<BR><BR>"Rich"=20
<@> wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:413d0a85$1@w3.nls.net">news:413d0a85$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
=20
mike already reported that he has benefited and it is not true that=20
everyone<BR>else on the planet has implemented checking. That =
pretty=20
much shows your<BR>nonsense for what it is.<BR><BR>Rich<BR><BR> =
"Geo."=20
<<A href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>> wrote =
in message=20
<A=20
=
href=3D"news:413d0665$1@w3.nls.net">news:413d0665$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
=20
I claimed for mike to benefit, everyone else on the planet (or at =
least=20
a<BR>vast<BR> majority) would have to implement spf=20
checking.<BR><BR> Geo.<BR><BR> "Rich" <@> wrote in =
message=20
<A=20
=
href=3D"news:413c9097$1@w3.nls.net">news:413c9097$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
=20
So then you do believe that mike miller has benefited from publishing=20
his<BR> specification?<BR><BR> Or are =
you just=20
whining again that your imagined claims are flawed?<BR><BR> =20
Rich<BR><BR> "Geo." <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>> wrote in =
message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:413c8047$1@w3.nls.net">news:413c8047$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
=20
No, I'm saying that the vast majority of postmasters view SPF as a=20
spam<BR> stopping technology which it is not, =
because they=20
use the existence of an<BR>SPF<BR> text record as =
part of=20
the scoring for emails the spammers have =
learned<BR>that<BR> =20
they can reduce their scores by providing that text record and=20
that's<BR>exactly<BR> what is=20
happening.<BR><BR> The flip side of the coin is that =
SPF was=20
designed to prevent backscatter<BR> "attacks" but =
these=20
weren't really attacks, the spammers just need a way =
to<BR> =20
redirect backscatter away from themselves and SPF provides nothing to=20
stop<BR> them<BR> from continuing to do=20
that.<BR><BR> Geo.<BR><BR> "Rich"=20
<@> wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:413c6d08$1@w3.nls.net">news:413c6d08$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
=20
so you are claiming that mike miller's domain has had DNS spoofed =
to<BR> =20
change<BR> the records to allow spam from his=20
domain?<BR><BR> =
Rich<BR><BR> =20
"Geo." <<A href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:413c676d$3@w3.nls.net">news:413c676d$3@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
=20
"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:413abecc@w3.nls.net">news:413abecc@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR><BR>=
=20
>> Furthermore, are you claiming that spammers are =
actually=20
doing what<BR> =
george<BR> =20
claimed which is to create their own domains and point their MX=20
records<BR>at<BR> =
your<BR> =20
SMTP server? This latter should be simple to verify since the =
NDRs=20
you<BR> receive<BR> =
would be=20
for the spammer's domains and not yours and you can see their=20
MX<BR> =20
records.<<<BR><BR> What the =
spammers are=20
doing is following their spambots with dynamic spf<BR> =20
DNS<BR> =20
entries.<BR><BR> =20
Geo.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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