Text 487, 99 rader
Skriven 2004-09-07 06:22:42 av Geo. (1:379/45)
    Kommentar till text 484 av Rich (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Spammers faster than the good guys....
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From: "Geo." <georger@nls.net>

I have not suggested they would hack his dns, you said that. I said two things,
first SPF relies on everyone else using it in order for your domain to be
protected, a situation that will never exist, and second that if the spammers
wanted to backscatter attack you it would be trivial to do in spite of spf.

Geo.

"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:413d48e0$1@w3.nls.net...
   Mike has not reported spammers doing anything you claimed they would do to
him, either point MX records for their own domains to his SMTP server or hack
his DNS entries to allow them to send from his domain from unauthorized
machines.  If you have evidence of either of these then please give the name of
the domain and the identify of the modified or invalid entries so that we can
all take a look.  If they did not, why would you lie about this?

Rich

  "Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message news:413d10a6@w3.nls.net...
  He benefited until the spammers walked around the gate.

  Geo.

  "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:413d0a85$1@w3.nls.net...
     mike already reported that he has benefited and it is not true that
everyone
  else on the planet has implemented checking.  That pretty much shows your
  nonsense for what it is.

  Rich

    "Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message news:413d0665$1@w3.nls.net...
    I claimed for mike to benefit, everyone else on the planet (or at least a
  vast
    majority) would have to implement spf checking.

    Geo.

    "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:413c9097$1@w3.nls.net...
       So then you do believe that mike miller has benefited from publishing
his
    specification?

       Or are you just whining again that your imagined claims are flawed?

    Rich

      "Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message news:413c8047$1@w3.nls.net...
      No, I'm saying that the vast majority of postmasters view SPF as a spam
      stopping technology which it is not, because they use the existence of an
  SPF
      text record as part of the scoring for emails the spammers have learned
  that
      they can reduce their scores by providing that text record and that's
  exactly
      what is happening.

      The flip side of the coin is that SPF was designed to prevent backscatter
      "attacks" but these weren't really attacks, the spammers just need a way
to
      redirect backscatter away from themselves and SPF provides nothing to
stop
    them
      from continuing to do that.

      Geo.

      "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:413c6d08$1@w3.nls.net...
         so you are claiming that mike miller's domain has had DNS spoofed to
    change
      the records to allow spam from his domain?

      Rich

        "Geo." <georger@nls.net> wrote in message news:413c676d$3@w3.nls.net...
        "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:413abecc@w3.nls.net...

        >>   Furthermore, are you claiming that spammers are actually doing
what
      george
        claimed which is to create their own domains and point their MX records
  at
      your
        SMTP server?  This latter should be simple to verify since the NDRs you
      receive
        would be for the spammer's domains and not yours and you can see their
MX
        records.<<

        What the spammers are doing is following their spambots with dynamic
spf
    DNS
        entries.

        Geo.

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