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Skriven 2005-06-26 11:03:36 av Geo (1:379/45)
Kommentar till text 5402 av Rich (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: An Army of Soulless 1's and 0's
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From: "Geo" <georger@nls.net>
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You don't believe the current UI with the way it displays an icon has = had an
effect?
Why then do email virus use such long attachment names?
Sheep.jpg =
.scr
explain that.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42be1eb8@w3.nls.net...
The icons reflect the icons elsewhere in the UI. I believe this =
makes sense and do not believe that this UI consistency makes users more =
likely to make bad choices.
File extensions being hidden or not, and they are not on file =
attachments, is not the issue. I realize that this is a topic you like = to
whine about because you believe that your preference is right for = everyone.
Do you really believe the the clueless that ignore warnings = would pay
attention to this? This is all moot given that unsafe email = attachments are
blocked and the article was describing people = downloading from the web not
opening an attachment.
As for your claim to show a difference, this happens in a very =
obvious way. Users are warned about dangerous files and not warned = about
safe ones. The problem is that many ignore the warnings. This is = the topic
discussed in the email to which you replied and one which you = completely
ignored in your reply.
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:42be194e$1@w3.nls.net...
The answer is very simple, instead of hiding dangerous attachments, =
show the users that these are somehow different from other attachments, =
something as simple as changing the icon to a skull and crossbones. To = make
it so that profession users can't open an attachment without an = exchange
server is just plain rude.
The problem is MS has spent recent history trying to hide file =
extensions from the users, so now we have a bunch of clueless users when = it
comes to telling which file types are safe and which are not.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42be015f@w3.nls.net...
I don't see an easy answer. The issue is not that users are =
warned when there is no reason too, it's that they got lucky. A better =
analogy than a combination lock is Russian roulette. It's always = dangerous
which is why there is a warning. What would you do?
On a related note, how do you make a user that just wants =
things to "work" and clicks OK because it doesn't "work" if he makes = another
choice to care about such choices? You can remove the choice = which is the
position taken with Outlook and dangerous attachments. = There were plenty
that complained including folks here when that = happened.
Rich
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You don't believe the current UI with =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Why then do email virus use such long =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>explain that.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> The icons reflect the =
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elsewhere in the UI. I believe this makes sense and do not =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> File extensions being =
hidden or not,=20
and they are not on file attachments, is not the issue. I =
realize that=20
this is a topic you like to whine about because you believe that your=20
preference is right for everyone. Do you really believe the the =
clueless=20
that ignore warnings would pay attention to this? This is all =
moot given=20
that unsafe email attachments are blocked and the article was =
describing=20
people downloading from the web not opening an =
attachment.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> As for your claim to =
show a=20
difference, this happens in a very obvious way. Users are warned =
about=20
dangerous files and not warned about safe ones. The problem is =
that many=20
ignore the warnings. This is the topic discussed in the email to =
which=20
you replied and one which you completely ignored in your =
reply.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Geo" <<A =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The answer is very simple, instead =
of hiding=20
dangerous attachments, show the users that these are somehow =
different from=20
other attachments, something as simple as changing the icon to a =
skull and=20
crossbones. To make it so that profession users can't open an =
attachment=20
without an exchange server is just plain rude.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The problem is MS has spent recent =
history=20
trying to hide file extensions from the users, so now we have a =
bunch=20
of clueless users when it comes to telling which file types are safe =
and=20
which are not.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> I don't see an easy=20
answer. The issue is not that users are warned=20
when there is no reason too, it's that they got lucky. =
A better=20
analogy than a combination lock is Russian roulette. It's =
always=20
dangerous which is why there is a warning. </FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>What would you do?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> On a related note, =
how do you=20
make a user that just wants things to "work" and clicks OK because =
it=20
doesn't "work" if he makes another choice to care about such=20
choices? You can remove the choice which is the position =
taken with=20
Outlook and dangerous attachments. There were plenty that =
complained=20
including folks here when that happened.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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