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Skriven 2005-07-02 23:22:56 av Randy (1:379/45)
Kommentar till text 5618 av Rich (1:379/45)
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From: "Randy" <@>
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I can say the same thing about the products you create that allow such = things
to be built in the first place, and you knowingly allow such = tools to get
into such hands-why?=20
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42c7595a@w3.nls.net...
No. It's like putting knives in the drawer for knives. If someone =
wants a knife they will do what it takes to get one.
Again, you are an ISP. Why don't you "fix" this. You knowingly =
allow virus, trojans, and other malicious packages to travel over the =
networks you supply to and manage for your customers and yet you do = nothing
about it. Why?
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message news:42c754b3@w3.nls.net...
No I don't want to make it so difficult as to discourage all users, =
I just don't want dangerous things shoved in the users face, that's like =
putting knives in the toybox instead of in the knife draw.
Yes I know some will still infect themselves, but if they know how =
to open a password infected zip file they can figure out that it was a = virus
and clean their computers.
As for finding where they saved a file, it's a simple enough test, =
if they find it then it's ok to let them infect themselves. It's the = ones who
can't find it that will be protected by removing the "open" = choice when
downloading.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42c728fc$1@w3.nls.net...
So of the models I have discussed with John you believe the =
middle one, make the steps required so difficult as to discourage users = from
completing the task they want to. Do you remember that some of = these people
still infected themselves when they received a password = protected ZIP file
via email, saved the ZIP file, extracted it with = password, found and ran the
trojan just extracted?
On a similar note, why do you think that someone that ignored =
the warnings to open a file will not be able to find what they saved and = open
it while those that do understand the risk and not being fooled = will have no
trouble finding and opening the file they saved?
If you think you need protection from new or clueless users, =
why don't you in your role as ISP block access to any unsafe content = until
your customers demonstrate to you that they are capable of = exercising good
judgement?
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:42c702ec$1@w3.nls.net...
Hell yes I want the ability to download from the web and I'm =
certainly not suggesting removing that ability, but at the same time I = don't
believe there should be a choice of save to disk or open, get rid = of the open
choice. Force users to learn how to navigate a disk tree and = figure out where
the hell they downloaded something to.
That minimal requirement would stop the newest users in their =
tracks. You wouldn't have computers getting infected by totally (and I = do
mean TOTALLY) clueless users.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42c6d606@w3.nls.net...
? Answer the question. Do you want the ability to =
download from the web to be unavailable to you and everyone else because = some
users do stupid things?
Rich
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I can say the same thing about the products you =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> No. It's like =
putting knives=20
in the drawer for knives. If someone wants a knife they will do =
what it=20
takes to get one.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Again, you are an =
ISP. Why=20
don't you "fix" this. You knowingly allow virus, =
trojans, and other=20
malicious packages to travel over the networks you supply to and =
manage for=20
your customers and yet you do nothing about it. =
Why?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>No I don't want to make it so =
difficult as to=20
discourage all users, I just don't want dangerous things shoved in =
the users=20
face, that's like putting knives in the toybox instead of in the =
knife=20
draw.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Yes I know some will still infect =
themselves,=20
but if they know how to open a password infected zip file they can =
figure=20
out that it was a virus and clean their computers.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As for finding where they saved a =
file, it's a=20
simple enough test, if they find it then it's ok to let them infect=20
themselves. It's the ones who can't find it that will be protected =
by=20
removing the "open" choice when downloading.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> So of the models I =
have=20
discussed with John you believe the middle one, make the steps =
required so=20
difficult as to discourage users from completing the task they =
want=20
to. Do you remember that some of these people still infected =
themselves when they received a password protected ZIP file via =
email,=20
saved the ZIP file, extracted it with password, found and ran the =
trojan=20
just extracted?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> On a similar note, =
why do you=20
think that someone that ignored the warnings to open a file will =
not be=20
able to find what they saved and open it while those that do =
understand=20
the risk and not being fooled will have no trouble finding and =
opening the=20
file they saved?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> If you think you =
need protection=20
from new or clueless users, why don't you in your role as ISP =
block access=20
to any unsafe content until your customers demonstrate to you that =
they=20
are capable of exercising good judgement?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Geo" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>>=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hell yes I want the ability to =
download=20
from the web and I'm certainly not suggesting removing that =
ability, but=20
at the same time I don't believe there should be a choice of =
save to=20
disk or open, get rid of the open choice. Force users to learn =
how to=20
navigate a disk tree and figure out where the hell they =
downloaded=20
something to.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>That minimal requirement would =
stop=20
the newest users in their tracks. You wouldn't have =
computers=20
getting infected by totally (and I do mean TOTALLY) clueless=20
users.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> ? Answer =
the=20
question. Do you want the ability to download from the =
web to be=20
unavailable to you and everyone else because some users do =
stupid=20
things?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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