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From: "Geo" <georger@nls.net>
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eeye gives microsoft poc code in order to not have to deal with the "we =
couldn't reproduce it" bullshit. They no longer make that code public = but
they do provide it to the software vendor along with the full = writeup.
As for worms, when was the last time you heard of a worm killing = someone's
wife and children? Hell when was the last time you heard of a = worm even
killing someone's computer?
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42d0b99f@w3.nls.net...
eeye does not give Microsoft code. What ever gave you that silly =
idea? Is eeye giving code in addition to detailed instructions to the = people
that write the exploits and harming the public? I would think = that doing so
would change them from just being irresponsible and having = no regard for
anyone's well being but their own to being criminal? = While that would be
worse, eeye is irreponsible enough by their putting = everyone in danger for
their own financial gain and the instructions = they provide to attackers
sufficient to guide them in their tasks.
The problem with causing people harm like with a worm is that it is =
causing people harm. If someone came to your home and killed your wife = and
children would you assert that there is no harm in doing this = because it
encourages you and your neighbors to better protect = themselves and their
homes? You could also excuse eeye for providing = the instructions how to
enter your home and kill your family. How = stupid can you be? =20
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:42d0b379$1@w3.nls.net...
What I really meant to say is that for the 188 days after eeye =
handed microsoft code that gave full remote anonymous access to a = machine and
the time MS issued a patch, MS had full access to every = windows computer on
the internet.
I wonder if that's why it took so long to get a patch?
As to your no favor comment, what's the problem with a worm? How is =
that worm using your resources to spread any different than adware using = your
resources to report your activities to marketers so that they can = use your
resources to stuff ads in your face?
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42d0b071$1@w3.nls.net...
What you meant to say, at least what you would have meant if =
you wanted to be honest, is that this is a worm created from detailed =
instructions widely distributed by eeye as part of its normal public =
relations and as typical without regard for anyone or anything except = the
financial gain of eeye. Do you think the eeye people are so blind =
as to not forsee the response to their irresponsible behavior?
This kid did no one a favor nor did eeye.
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:42d0ab27@w3.nls.net...
"Richard B." <TDNBW@barktopus.com> wrote in message
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> What bullshit. Of course this is what breeds more of his ilk.
Excuse me but this kid did the world a huge favor.
The sasser worm exploits the LSASS vuln discovered by eeye, this =
is a major
Geo.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>eeye gives microsoft poc code in order =
to not have=20
to deal with the "we couldn't reproduce it" bullshit. They no longer = make
that=20
code public but they do provide it to the software vendor along with the =
full=20
writeup.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As for worms, when was the last time =
you heard of a=20
worm killing someone's wife and children? Hell when was the last time = you
heard=20
of a worm even killing someone's computer?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> eeye does not give =
Microsoft=20
code. What ever gave you that silly idea? Is eeye giving =
code in=20
addition to detailed instructions to the people that write the =
exploits and=20
harming the public? I would think that doing so would change =
them from=20
just being irresponsible and having no regard for anyone's well being =
but=20
their own to being criminal? While that would be worse, eeye is=20
irreponsible enough by their putting everyone in danger for their own=20
financial gain and the instructions they provide to attackers =
sufficient to=20
guide them in their tasks.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> The problem with causing =
people harm=20
like with a worm is that it is causing people harm. If someone =
came to=20
your home and killed your wife and children would you assert that =
there is no=20
harm in doing this because it encourages you and your neighbors to =
better=20
protect themselves and their homes? You could also excuse eeye =
for=20
providing the instructions how to enter your home and kill your =
family. =20
How stupid can you be? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Geo" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>>=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What I really meant to say is that =
for the 188=20
days after eeye handed microsoft code that gave full remote =
anonymous access=20
to a machine and the time MS issued a patch, MS had full access to =
every=20
windows computer on the internet.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I wonder if that's why it took so =
long to get a=20
patch?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As to your no favor comment, what's =
the problem=20
with a worm? How is that worm using your resources to spread any =
different=20
than adware using your resources to report your activities to =
marketers so=20
that they can use your resources to stuff ads in your =
face?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> What you meant to =
say, at least=20
what you would have meant if you wanted to be honest, is that this =
is a=20
worm created from detailed instructions widely distributed by eeye =
as part=20
of its normal public relations and as typical without regard for =
anyone or=20
anything except the financial gain of eeye. Do you =
think the=20
eeye people are so blind as to not forsee the response to their=20
irresponsible behavior?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> This kid did no one =
a favor nor=20
did eeye.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Geo" <<A =
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ichard=20
B." <<A =
href=3D"mailto:TDNBW@barktopus.com">TDNBW@barktopus.com</A>>=20
wrote in message<BR><A=20
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href=3D"news:t0i0d15cgmcu9m3bm3ubfjb36nu8sd5hso@4ax.com">news:t0i0d15cgmc=
u9m3bm3ubfjb36nu8sd5hso@4ax.com</A>...<BR><BR>>=20
What bullshit. Of course this is what breeds more of his=20
ilk.<BR><BR>Excuse me but this kid did the world a huge=20
favor.<BR><BR>The sasser worm exploits the LSASS vuln discovered =
by=20
eeye, this is a=20
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