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From: "Geo" <georger@nls.net>
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And now the movie you've all been waiting for, John Wayne Shupak stars = in
"True Geek"..
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42d324f5$1@w3.nls.net...
Having your wife and family killed probably means less to many =
people than having their own computer infected with a worm created with =
eeye's guidance and having to reinstall. It may seem heartless but then = you
don't value these people and what matters to them so you can't = expect them to
value you and what matters to you.
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message news:42d3079e@w3.nls.net...
eeye gives microsoft poc code in order to not have to deal with the =
"we couldn't reproduce it" bullshit. They no longer make that code = public but
they do provide it to the software vendor along with the full = writeup.
As for worms, when was the last time you heard of a worm killing =
someone's wife and children? Hell when was the last time you heard of a = worm
even killing someone's computer?
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42d0b99f@w3.nls.net...
eeye does not give Microsoft code. What ever gave you that =
silly idea? Is eeye giving code in addition to detailed instructions to = the
people that write the exploits and harming the public? I would = think that
doing so would change them from just being irresponsible and = having no regard
for anyone's well being but their own to being = criminal? While that would be
worse, eeye is irreponsible enough by = their putting everyone in danger for
their own financial gain and the = instructions they provide to attackers
sufficient to guide them in their = tasks.
The problem with causing people harm like with a worm is that =
it is causing people harm. If someone came to your home and killed your = wife
and children would you assert that there is no harm in doing this = because it
encourages you and your neighbors to better protect = themselves and their
homes? You could also excuse eeye for providing = the instructions how to
enter your home and kill your family. How = stupid can you be? =20
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:42d0b379$1@w3.nls.net...
What I really meant to say is that for the 188 days after eeye =
handed microsoft code that gave full remote anonymous access to a = machine and
the time MS issued a patch, MS had full access to every = windows computer on
the internet.
I wonder if that's why it took so long to get a patch?
As to your no favor comment, what's the problem with a worm? How =
is that worm using your resources to spread any different than adware = using
your resources to report your activities to marketers so that they = can use
your resources to stuff ads in your face?
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42d0b071$1@w3.nls.net...
What you meant to say, at least what you would have meant =
if you wanted to be honest, is that this is a worm created from detailed =
instructions widely distributed by eeye as part of its normal public =
relations and as typical without regard for anyone or anything except = the
financial gain of eeye. Do you think the eeye people are so blind =
as to not forsee the response to their irresponsible behavior?
This kid did no one a favor nor did eeye.
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:42d0ab27@w3.nls.net...
"Richard B." <TDNBW@barktopus.com> wrote in message
news:t0i0d15cgmcu9m3bm3ubfjb36nu8sd5hso@4ax.com...
> What bullshit. Of course this is what breeds more of his =
ilk.
Excuse me but this kid did the world a huge favor.
The sasser worm exploits the LSASS vuln discovered by eeye, =
this is a major
Geo.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>And now the movie you've all been =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Having your wife and =
family killed=20
probably means less to many people than having their own computer =
infected=20
with a worm created with eeye's guidance and having to =
reinstall. It may=20
seem heartless but then you don't value these people and what matters =
to them=20
so you can't expect them to value you and what matters to =
you.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>eeye gives microsoft poc code in =
order to not=20
have to deal with the "we couldn't reproduce it" bullshit. They no =
longer=20
make that code public but they do provide it to the software vendor =
along=20
with the full writeup.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As for worms, when was the last =
time you heard=20
of a worm killing someone's wife and children? Hell when was the =
last time=20
you heard of a worm even killing someone's computer?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> eeye does not give =
Microsoft=20
code. What ever gave you that silly idea? Is eeye =
giving code=20
in addition to detailed instructions to the people that write the =
exploits=20
and harming the public? I would think that doing so would =
change=20
them from just being irresponsible and having no regard for =
anyone's well=20
being but their own to being criminal? While that would be =
worse,=20
eeye is irreponsible enough by their putting everyone in danger =
for their=20
own financial gain and the instructions they provide to attackers=20
sufficient to guide them in their tasks.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> The problem with =
causing people=20
harm like with a worm is that it is causing people harm. If =
someone=20
came to your home and killed your wife and children would you =
assert that=20
there is no harm in doing this because it encourages you and your=20
neighbors to better protect themselves and their homes? You =
could=20
also excuse eeye for providing the instructions how to enter your =
home and=20
kill your family. How stupid can you be? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Geo" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>>=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What I really meant to say is =
that for the=20
188 days after eeye handed microsoft code that gave full remote=20
anonymous access to a machine and the time MS issued a patch, MS =
had=20
full access to every windows computer on the =
internet.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I wonder if that's why it took =
so long to=20
get a patch?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As to your no favor comment, =
what's the=20
problem with a worm? How is that worm using your resources to =
spread any=20
different than adware using your resources to report your =
activities to=20
marketers so that they can use your resources to stuff ads in =
your=20
face?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> What you meant =
to say, at=20
least what you would have meant if you wanted to be honest, is =
that=20
this is a worm created from detailed instructions widely =
distributed=20
by eeye as part of its normal public relations and as typical =
without=20
regard for anyone or anything except the financial gain of=20
eeye. Do you think the eeye people are so blind as =
to not=20
forsee the response to their irresponsible =
behavior?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> This kid did no =
one a favor=20
nor did eeye.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Geo" <<A=20
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ichard=20
B." <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:TDNBW@barktopus.com">TDNBW@barktopus.com</A>> wrote=20
in message<BR><A=20
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href=3D"news:t0i0d15cgmcu9m3bm3ubfjb36nu8sd5hso@4ax.com">news:t0i0d15cgmc=
u9m3bm3ubfjb36nu8sd5hso@4ax.com</A>...<BR><BR>>=20
What bullshit. Of course this is what breeds more of =
his=20
ilk.<BR><BR>Excuse me but this kid did the world a huge=20
favor.<BR><BR>The sasser worm exploits the LSASS vuln =
discovered by=20
eeye, this is a=20
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major<BR><BR><BR>Geo.<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLO=
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