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Ärende: Re: eeye's irresponsible self-serving behavior
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From: "Rich" <@>
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You can believe what you want but it is folks like eeye and those =
they support by providing the instructions on how to do this damage that = are
responsible.
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message news:42d6545d@w3.nls.net...
I hold microsoft responsible for the security of those hundreds of =
millions. I'm not mad at them why should I be mad at the security = industry?
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42d5eddd@w3.nls.net...
I don't care what they cost Microsoft. I do care about the =
millions or more likely tens or hundreds of millions they have cost the =
computer using public. I find it very sad that you not only don't care = about
this but state that you believe all this harm is actually good.
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:42d5eb5e@w3.nls.net...
And I think you have an attitude about eeye based on the millions =
they've cost Microsoft.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42d4bef1$1@w3.nls.net...
no. your behavior is like idol worship. You are blind to =
all the damage they are responsible for and try to excuse it. I just = saw
something on tv discussing manson and squeaky fromme. your behavior = reminds
me of her.
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:42d48383$1@w3.nls.net...
It's not idol warship, it's respect.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42d36d9d@w3.nls.net...
You really have the wrong idea about eeye. They are in =
the protection racket. They publish information and put out press = releases
putting you and the public at risk then try to sell you and = others protection
from the danger they put you in. It should be obvious = what is wrong with
this. You know about them because of how = irresponsible and self-serving they
are, well that and george's = misplaced idol worship. I've found more issues
than they have and know = others that have as well. Their finds aren't even
that interesting and = generally have all the pizzazz of something found by an
automated tool.
Rich
"John Beckett" <FirstnameSurname@compuserve.com.omit> =
wrote in message news:2tl6d1h3lb4nc5aqc3mondan0nbl1cti61@4ax.com...
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:<42d34b1d@w3.nls.net>:
> I think you are making a false premise which is that if =
eeye was not
> irresponsible and providing instructions or if people =
did not act
> on those instructions then no one would fix bugs.
Of course Microsoft would fix bugs. But when? With what =
priority?
Who would have told Microsoft that IIS and IE etc had a =
bunch of
vulnerabilities that needed patching, if it weren't for =
people like eeye?
And what's wrong with eeye making money from their work? =
Most people
(outside the KDE and Gnome camps) want standard software =
that works. That
means we have Microsoft as the giant developer, and a =
bunch of ants
picking up crumbs. Eeye is an ant feeding from the =
security bugs that it
manages to find. If it weren't so embarassing in the short =
term, they
should be paid a retainer by Microsoft.
John
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> You can believe what you =
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to do this damage that are responsible.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>> wrote=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I hold microsoft responsible for the =
security of=20
those hundreds of millions. I'm not mad at them why should I be mad at =
the=20
security industry?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> I don't care what they =
cost=20
Microsoft. I do care about the millions or more likely tens or =
hundreds of millions they have cost the computer using public. =
I find=20
it very sad that you not only don't care about this but state that =
you=20
believe all this harm is actually good.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Geo" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>>=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>And I think you have an attitude =
about eeye=20
based on the millions they've cost Microsoft.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> no. your =
behavior is=20
like idol worship. You are blind to all the damage they =
are=20
responsible for and try to excuse it. I just saw something =
on tv=20
discussing manson and squeaky fromme. your behavior =
reminds me of=20
her.</FONT></DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>
<DIV><BR>Rich</DIV>
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<DIV>"Geo" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>> wrote =
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<A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It's not idol warship, it's=20
respect.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> You really =
have the wrong=20
idea about eeye. They are in the protection =
racket. They=20
publish information and put out press =
releases putting you=20
and the public at risk then try to sell you and others =
protection=20
from the danger they put you in. It should be obvious =
what is=20
wrong with this. You know about them because of how=20
irresponsible and self-serving they are, well that and =
george's=20
misplaced idol worship. I've found more issues than =
they have=20
and know others that have as well. Their finds aren't =
even=20
that interesting and generally have all the pizzazz of=20
something found by an automated tool.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>"John Beckett" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:FirstnameSurname@compuserve.com.omit">FirstnameSurname@com=
puserve.com.omit</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:2tl6d1h3lb4nc5aqc3mondan0nbl1cti61@4ax.com">news:2tl6d1h3lb4=
nc5aqc3mondan0nbl1cti61@4ax.com</A>...</DIV>"Rich"=20
<@> wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:<42d34b1d@w3.nls.net">news:<42d34b1d@w3.nls.net</A>>:<=
BR>>=20
I think you are making a false premise which is that if =
eeye was=20
not<BR>> irresponsible and providing instructions or if =
people=20
did not act<BR>> on those instructions then no one =
would fix=20
bugs.<BR><BR>Of course Microsoft would fix bugs. But when? =
With=20
what priority?<BR><BR>Who would have told Microsoft that =
IIS and=20
IE etc had a bunch of<BR>vulnerabilities that needed =
patching, if=20
it weren't for people like eeye?<BR><BR>And what's wrong =
with eeye=20
making money from their work? Most people<BR>(outside the =
KDE and=20
Gnome camps) want standard software that works. =
That<BR>means we=20
have Microsoft as the giant developer, and a bunch of=20
ants<BR>picking up crumbs. Eeye is an ant feeding from the =
security bugs that it<BR>manages to find. If it weren't so =
embarassing in the short term, they<BR>should be paid a =
retainer=20
by=20
=
Microsoft.<BR><BR>John<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQ=
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