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Skriven 2005-07-18 17:37:56 av Geo (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 6133 av Rich (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Disk perf
=====================
From: "Geo" <georger@nls.net>

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  1     9 ms    11 ms     9 ms  [216.144.26.33]
  2    45 ms    86 ms    55 ms  r-cle2.nls.net [216.144.8.2]
  3    46 ms    65 ms    44 ms  r-cle1.nls.net [216.144.8.1]
  4    59 ms    55 ms    53 ms  sl-gw4-roa-4-0-ts2.sprintlink.net =
[144.228.252.233]
  5    72 ms    53 ms    65 ms  sl-bb22-roa-2-1.sprintlink.net =
[144.232.17.205]
  6    76 ms    73 ms    56 ms  sl-bb22-chi-6-1.sprintlink.net =
[144.232.8.81]
  7    60 ms    59 ms    58 ms  sl-st21-chi-11-0.sprintlink.net =
[144.232.20.21]
  8    58 ms    53 ms    91 ms  sl-xocomm-15-0.sprintlink.net =
[144.223.241.66]
  9    56 ms   105 ms    56 ms  p5-0-0.rar2.chicago-il.us.xo.net =
[65.106.6.137]
 10    58 ms    61 ms    94 ms  p0-0-0d0.rar1.chicago-il.us.xo.net =
[65.106.1.85]
 11    79 ms   114 ms    85 ms  p6-0-0.rar2.washington-dc.us.xo.net =
[65.106.0.46]
 12    85 ms    91 ms    82 ms  p0-0-0d0.rar1.washington-dc.us.xo.net =
[65.106.1.13]
 13    78 ms    75 ms   161 ms  p6-0-0.rar2.nyc-ny.us.xo.net =
[65.106.0.1]
 14    76 ms    81 ms   286 ms  p0-0-0d0.rar1.nyc-ny.us.xo.net =
[65.106.1.1]
 15   114 ms    76 ms    79 ms  p0-0-0.mar1.nyc-ny.us.xo.net =
[65.106.3.46]
 16    76 ms    99 ms    78 ms  p0-0.chr1.nyc-ny.us.xo.net =
[207.88.86.166]

You probably have about 100ms more lag cause of the distance. Cache will =
still be slow if you have lag because it's still got to resolve and = check the
linked graphics and such before it can match them up with the = cache.

Geo.


  "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42db0176@w3.nls.net...
     It can't get any faster than the network traffic.  I'm at least 15 =
hops from the nyt.  If their servers are on the east cost you will be = much
closer.  Since all the downloads are small latency matters more = than
throughput which is why with everything cached it still took six = seconds for
me.

  Rich

    "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message news:42dafff1@w3.nls.net...
    I just clicked and counted, 1...2...3..finished

    I'm serious though, set your cache to 1mb, purge it, go to that =
/content.ie5 directory and purge it as well then give it a try.

    Geo.
      "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42dafba4@w3.nls.net...
         You can't compare two machines connected to different networks =
at different times of the day.

         Did you measure the 4 seconds by counting or measuring?  I used =
a network capture with timestamps for all the packets.  The time I = reported
is from the first request to the last request.  I should have = included the
last response so my numbers, which I rounded down to whole = seconds, would
actually be a bit longer.

      Rich

        "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:42dae95a$1@w3.nls.net...
        I clicked on your NYT link and my browser started up and the =
page came up in less than 4 seconds total. Perhaps instead of an empty = cache
you should try it with your cache set to 1mb.

        Geo.
          "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42d9397d@w3.nls.net...
             Because the cache still has a very significant performance =
benefit and even with DSL speeds pages take far longer than a blink to =
appear.  For example, I just tried www.nytimes.com with an empty cache.  =
There are 86 HTTP requests that take 10 seconds.  With the cache it only = took
6 seconds.

             Your ideas on DNS are equally silly, particularly because =
DNS is explicitly a multi-level cache.

          Rich

            "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:42d9304a$1@w3.nls.net...
            "Frank Haber" <frhaber@N0SPMrcn.com> wrote in message
            news:42d84be9$1@w3.nls.net...
            > (Browser cache)
            >
            > Firefox and Moz come set to 50MB.  I find that a good =
round number.

            When I was on dialup, 5mb seemed like a good cache (50 =
munutes to download
            5mb), because cache made a difference. On todays DSL =
connected computers,
            nothing but the previous 4 or so pages should be cached, =
it's just a huge
            waste since it only takes a blink to bring up a page on DSL. =
Why todays
            browsers continue this outdated practice and don't sense the =
connection
            speed and adjust accordingly is beyond me.

            It's the same logic as the DNS client cache, both these =
caching functions
            create limited problems from time to time, the goal should =
be to get away
            from problematic methods and go for reliability. Of course =
that's a concept
            that's foreign to most programmers today, they are blind to =
the idea of
            dropping an obsolete function and would rather waste time =
trying to cure the
            problems it creates.

            Geo.


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp; 1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 9=20
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ms&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 55 ms&nbsp; r-cle2.nls.net [216.144.8.2]<BR>&nbsp;=20
3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 46 ms&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 65 ms&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 44 =
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r-cle1.nls.net [216.144.8.1]<BR>&nbsp; 4&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 59=20
ms&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 55 ms&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 53 ms&nbsp;=20
sl-gw4-roa-4-0-ts2.sprintlink.net [144.228.252.233]<BR>&nbsp;=20
5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 72 ms&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 53 ms&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 65 =
ms&nbsp;=20
sl-bb22-roa-2-1.sprintlink.net [144.232.17.205]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp; 6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 76 =
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73 ms&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 56 ms&nbsp; sl-bb22-chi-6-1.sprintlink.net=20
[144.232.8.81]<BR>&nbsp; 7&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 60 ms&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 59=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp; 8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 58 =
ms&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
53 ms&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 91 ms&nbsp; sl-xocomm-15-0.sprintlink.net=20
[144.223.241.66]<BR>&nbsp; 9&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 56 ms&nbsp;&nbsp; 105=20
ms&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 56 ms&nbsp; p5-0-0.rar2.chicago-il.us.xo.net=20
[65.106.6.137]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;10&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 58 =
ms&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
61 ms&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 94 ms&nbsp; p0-0-0d0.rar1.chicago-il.us.xo.net=20
[65.106.1.85]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;11&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 79 =
ms&nbsp;&nbsp; 114=20
ms&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 85 ms&nbsp; p6-0-0.rar2.washington-dc.us.xo.net=20
[65.106.0.46]<BR>&nbsp;12&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 85 ms&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 91=20
ms&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 82 ms&nbsp; p0-0-0d0.rar1.washington-dc.us.xo.net=20
[65.106.1.13]<BR>&nbsp;13&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 78 ms&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 75=20
ms&nbsp;&nbsp; 161 ms&nbsp; p6-0-0.rar2.nyc-ny.us.xo.net=20
[65.106.0.1]<BR>&nbsp;14&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 76 ms&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 81=20
ms&nbsp;&nbsp; 286 ms&nbsp; p0-0-0d0.rar1.nyc-ny.us.xo.net=20
[65.106.1.1]<BR>&nbsp;15&nbsp;&nbsp; 114 ms&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 76=20
ms&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 79 ms&nbsp; p0-0-0.mar1.nyc-ny.us.xo.net=20
[65.106.3.46]<BR>&nbsp;16&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 76 ms&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 99=20
ms&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 78 ms&nbsp; p0-0.chr1.nyc-ny.us.xo.net=20
[207.88.86.166]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You probably have about 100ms more lag =
cause of the=20
distance. Cache will still be slow if you have lag because it's still = got
to=20
resolve and check&nbsp;the linked graphics and such before it can match = them
up=20
with the cache.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:42db0176@w3.nls.net">news:42db0176@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; It can't get any faster =
than the=20
  network traffic.&nbsp; I'm at least 15 hops from the nyt.&nbsp; If =
their=20
  servers are on the east cost you will be much closer.&nbsp; Since all =
the=20
  downloads are small latency matters more than throughput which is why =
with=20
  everything cached it still took six seconds for me.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
  style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <DIV>"Geo" &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt;=20
    wrote in message <A=20
    =
href=3D"news:42dafff1@w3.nls.net">news:42dafff1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I just clicked and counted,=20
    1...2...3..finished</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm serious though, set your cache =
to 1mb,=20
    purge it, go to that /content.ie5 directory and purge it as well =
then give=20
    it a try.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
    style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
      <DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
      =
href=3D"news:42dafba4@w3.nls.net">news:42dafba4@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; You can't compare =
two machines=20
      connected to different networks at different times of the=20
day.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Did you measure the =
4 seconds by=20
      counting or measuring?&nbsp; I used a network capture with =
timestamps for=20
      all the packets.&nbsp; The time I reported is from the first =
request to=20
      the last request.&nbsp; I should have included the last response =
so my=20
      numbers, which I rounded down to whole seconds, would actually be =
a bit=20
      longer.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
      style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
        <DIV>"Geo" &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt;=20
        wrote in message <A=20
        =
href=3D"news:42dae95a$1@w3.nls.net">news:42dae95a$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I clicked on your NYT link and =
my browser=20
        started up and the page came up in less than 4 seconds total. =
Perhaps=20
        instead of an empty cache you should try it with your cache set =
to=20
        1mb.</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
        <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
        style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
          <DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
          =
href=3D"news:42d9397d@w3.nls.net">news:42d9397d@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Because the =
cache still has=20
          a very significant performance benefit and even with DSL =
speeds pages=20
          take far longer than a blink to appear.&nbsp; For example, I =
just=20
          tried <A href=3D"http://www.nytimes.com">www.nytimes.com</A> =
with an=20
          empty cache.&nbsp; There are 86 HTTP requests that take 10=20
          seconds.&nbsp; With the cache it only took 6 =
seconds.</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Your ideas on =
DNS are=20
          equally silly, particularly because DNS is explicitly a =
multi-level=20
          cache.</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <BLOCKQUOTE=20
          style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
            <DIV>"Geo" &lt;<A=20
            href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; =
wrote in=20
            message <A=20
            =
href=3D"news:42d9304a$1@w3.nls.net">news:42d9304a$1@w3.nls.net</A>...</DI=
V>"Frank=20
            Haber" &lt;<A=20
            =
href=3D"mailto:frhaber@N0SPMrcn.com">frhaber@N0SPMrcn.com</A>&gt;=20
            wrote in message<BR><A=20
            =
href=3D"news:42d84be9$1@w3.nls.net">news:42d84be9$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&gt;=20
            (Browser cache)<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Firefox and Moz come set to=20
            50MB.&nbsp; I find that a good round number.<BR><BR>When I =
was on=20
            dialup, 5mb seemed like a good cache (50 munutes to=20
            download<BR>5mb), because cache made a difference. On todays =
DSL=20
            connected computers,<BR>nothing but the previous 4 or so =
pages=20
            should be cached, it's just a huge<BR>waste since it only =
takes a=20
            blink to bring up a page on DSL. Why todays<BR>browsers =
continue=20
            this outdated practice and don't sense the =
connection<BR>speed and=20
            adjust accordingly is beyond me.<BR><BR>It's the same logic =
as the=20
            DNS client cache, both these caching functions<BR>create =
limited=20
            problems from time to time, the goal should be to get =
away<BR>from=20
            problematic methods and go for reliability. Of course that's =
a=20
            concept<BR>that's foreign to most programmers today, they =
are blind=20
            to the idea of<BR>dropping an obsolete function and would =
rather=20
            waste time trying to cure the<BR>problems it=20
            =
creates.<BR><BR>Geo.<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOC=
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