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Skriven 2005-07-26 16:25:50 av Ellen K (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 6324 av Robert Comer (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: MS Antispyware uses VB6 runtime?
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Our old Clipper app is the main reason we still have a lot of folks on Win98.

> From: "Robert Comer" <bobcomer_removeme@mindspring.com>
> I don't know about that, but it is definitely worth a shot. I've tried to
> help corporate before with it and they are definitely stubborn about such
> things.
> - Bob Comer <They're French...>
> "Gary Britt" <zotu@nospamforme.com> wrote in message
> news:42e4f9dc@w3.nls.net...
>> Might just make you a hero at work!! <g>
>> 
>> Gary
>> 
>> "Robert Comer" <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>> news:42e46b74$1@w3.nls.net...
>>> > Try a program called TameDos that will help tremendously with your
>> clipper
>>> > dos app stuff on any version of windows.  www.tamedos.com
>>> 
>>> Thanks, I'll look at that.
>>> 
>>> - Bob Comer
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "Gary Britt" <zotu@nospamforme.com> wrote in message
>>> news:42e4520f$1@w3.nls.net...
>>> > Try a program called TameDos that will help tremendously with your
>> clipper
>>> > dos app stuff on any version of windows.  www.tamedos.com
>>> >
>>> > A new version 5 is due out soon.  Will be a free upgrade if you buy
>>> > now.
>>> > You can try it 30 days for free.  Should solve your problems.
>>> >
>>> > Gary
>>> >
>>> > "Robert Comer" <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>> > news:42e44541$1@w3.nls.net...
>>> >> > There are way too many applications out there written in VB6 for
>>> >> > them
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > make it impossible to run VB6 apps,
>>> >>
>>> >> All I can say is they made a dreadful decision in not having a clear
>>> > upgrade
>>> >> path, it's the first development tools/language vendor I've ever known
>> to
>>> > do
>>> >> that, and there's probably more VB6 coders out there right now than
>>> >> any
>>> >> other language.
>>> >>
>>> >> It just doesn't make business sense to trust that VB6 stuff will keep
>>> >> running.
>>> >>
>>> >> >heck, it's still possible to run DOS
>>> >> > apps.
>>> >>
>>> >> Our parent company is having serious problems keeping their DOS
>>> >> clipper
>>> > app
>>> >> running on XP, memory issues that weren't there before...
>>> >>
>>> >> >And .Net has "COM Interop".
>>> >>
>>> >> That doesn't help upgrading VB6 code all that much. (That help in
>> calling
>>> >> old COM components from vb.net)
>>> >>
>>> >> - Bob Comer
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> "Ellen K." <72322.1016@compuserve.com> wrote in message
>>> >> news:7oe8e15569eq6ortjohk7aaenqkmb6dg6g@4ax.com...
>>> >> > There are way too many applications out there written in VB6 for
>>> >> > them
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > make it impossible to run VB6 apps, heck, it's still possible to run
>>> >> > DOS
>>> >> > apps.  And .Net has "COM Interop".
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 16:12:30 -0400, "Robert Comer"
>>> >> > <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message <42e3f4f7$1@w3.nls.net>:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >>> I'm not saying use the upgrade wizard rather than rewrite, I'm
>> saying
>>> >> >>> leave it in VB6.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>As I've said before, there's no guarantee the VB6 development
>>> > environment
>>> >> >>will continue to function *now*, much less in the future. (sure, you
>>> >> >>can
>>> >> >>get
>>> >> >>paid for support if it breaks, but it's not cheap)  And as anyone
>> knows
>>> >> >>with
>>> >> >>corporate environments, you need to be able to fix this as business
>>> > rules
>>> >> >>change, or there are bugs discovered.  And past longhorn, there's no
>>> >> >>guarantee the VB6 runtime will function ever. (and only a nebulous
>>> >> >>guarantee
>>> >> >>it'll be supported in longhorn)
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>To sum it up, it's to high a risk *not* to rewrite it.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>- Bob Comer
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>"Ellen K." <72322.1016@compuserve.com> wrote in message
>>> >> >>news:urs7e11kqsqbusrpem0uom8osd2vm0nqgb@4ax.com...
>>> >> >>> I'm not saying use the upgrade wizard rather than rewrite, I'm
>> saying
>>> >> >>> leave it in VB6.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:02:08 -0400, "Robert Comer"
>>> >> >>> <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message <42e3901a@w3.nls.net>:
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>>>I don't think you have to rewrite your old stuff.
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>If you want it to run well you do.  The changes between VB6 and
>>> >> >>>>VB.NET
>>> >> >>>>is
>>> >> >>>>massive.  Running it through the VB.NET upgrade wizard does not
>>> >> >>>>get
>>> > you
>>> >> >>>>a
>>> >> >>>>working program if the program is any more advanced than a "Hello
>>> > world"
>>> >> >>>>type.  Sure, given a lot of time you can fix the differences, but
>>> >> >>>>that
>>> >> >>>>same
>>> >> >>>>amount of time can most likely be taken to do a rewrite using all
>> the
>>> >> >>>>new
>>> >> >>>>stuff (or a different language altogether.)
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>- Bob Comer
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>"Ellen K." <72322.1016@compuserve.com> wrote in message
>>> >> >>>>news:din6e1hna3158pa89es1380tal3lkvt7bd@4ax.com...
>>> >> >>>>>I don't think you have to rewrite your old stuff.
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>> On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 06:54:36 -0400, "Robert Comer"
>>> >> >>>>> <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>> <42e22095$1@w3.nls.net>:
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>> If the spyware product they acquired was not based on VB.NET,
>> how
>>> >> >>>>>>> can
>>> >> >>>>>>> they
>>> >> >>>>>>> be asking why MS is not using VB.NET? Did they expect MS to
>>> > rewrite
>>> >> >>>>>>> it?
>>> >> >>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>Actually yes, everyone should expect them to rewrite it, after
>> all,
>>> >> >>>>>>Microsoft told all those millions of VB6 developers out there
>> that
>>> >> >>>>>>they
>>> >> >>>>>>had
>>> >> >>>>>>to rewrite their apps by deadending VB6 like they did.
>>> >> >>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>Did VB.NET even exist when the product development began?
>>> >> >>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>It didn't exist when all our VB5/VB6 code was written, but so
>> what,
>>> >> >>>>>>that
>>> >> >>>>>>doesn't mean that I don't have to rewrite everything to insure
>>> >> >>>>>>it
>>> >> >>>>>>keeps
>>> >> >>>>>>working in the future.
>>> >> >>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>- Bob Comer
>>> >> >>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>"Gregg N" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>> >> >>>>>>news:42e1bdf1$1@w3.nls.net...
>>> >> >>>>>>> Rich Gauszka wrote:
>>> >> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>Microsoft acquired Giant, the company that produced the
>>> >> >>>>>>>>Spyware
>>> >> >>>>>>>>detection
>>> >> >>>>>>>>program, in December 2004, and lost no time in making it
>>> >> >>>>>>>>available
>>> >> >>>>>>>>to
>>> >> >>>>>>>>users the following month.
>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>>>"This whole issue begs the question," writes our reader, "why
>> is
>>> >> >>>>>>>>Microsoft
>>> >> >>>>>>>>using an unsupported development environment against their own
>>> >> >>>>>>>>guidelines?
>>> >> >>>>>>>>Just another case of' 'Do what I say, not what I do'...
>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>> If the spyware product they acquired was not based on VB.NET,
>> how
>>> >> >>>>>>> can
>>> >> >>>>>>> they
>>> >> >>>>>>> be asking why MS is not using VB.NET? Did they expect MS to
>>> > rewrite
>>> >> >>>>>>> it?
>>> >> >>>>>>> Did VB.NET even exist when the product development began?
>>> >> >>>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>>> Gregg
>>> >> >>>>>>
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 

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