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Skriven 2005-08-06 23:12:08 av Gary Britt (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 6485 av Rich (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Say GoodBye To Firefox??
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From: "Gary Britt" <zotu@nospamforme.com>

GMAFB, IE didn't have to be the vehicle to integrate the GUI Shell changes into
the operating system.  It was solely done so MS could claim the browser was
integrated into the operating system and couldn't be separated from the
operating system.  It was done to skirt the anti-trust laws through the use of
the win95 consent decree language about integrated products being OK, as I
recall.

Now I'm sure you've got 46 videos 32 white papers and 105 experts to explain
how all this manipulation isn't really manipulation and leverage of the MS
monopoly at that time, but rather some wonderful great thing that the
marketplace wanted.  It was horseshit then and its still horseshit now.  How
about bringing out those great obviously doctored videos to show how IE can't
be separated from windows that David Boies made your attorneys eat in Judge
Jackson's court.

MS leveraged its monopoly and dos/windows licensing to kill Netscape's market,
and then as soon as you were successful and secure in this victory, just like
all monopolies you got lazy and fat, stopped developing IE, etc., etc. etc.

I'm not interested in an argument or flame war over this Rich, as an MS
employee your job is to sometimes say black is white.  I can accept that. Just
don't try and piss on my head and tell me its raining.  Let's just agree to
disagree, because there is nothing to be gained in arguing about something that
took place many years ago and no relevance to either of our lives or the
marketplace today, except in a historical context.

Gary


"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:42f57243@w3.nls.net...
   Where do you get this bullshit?  It was componentized with exposed with
stable public APIs like other platform components so that ISVs and other
Windows components can use the functionality.  A great many do.  It was so
clearly a good idea that many years latter the mozilla folks made an effort to
copy it.

Rich

  "Gary Britt" <zotu@nospamforme.com> wrote in message
news:42f5677c$1@w3.nls.net...
  Yep, at the time MS thought they had to integrate it in order to skirt the
  anti-trust laws and kill Netscape before they lost their advantage on the
  internet and ultimately possibly control of the desktop PC.  It was big
  stakes to MS and little things like the good of their customers, the
  product, or obeying the law just weren't important to MS.

  Gary

  "Robert Comer" <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message
  news:42f53ef0@w3.nls.net...
  > >I guess it took them one revision to get
  > > it where it wasn't crashing everything.
  >
  > Exactly the problem, any major change carries that risk, but they put to
  > much in the OS to fast.
  >
  > - Bob Comer
  >
  > "Gary Britt" <zotu@nospamforme.com> wrote in message
  > news:42f532e1@w3.nls.net...
  > > OK, I'll take yours and George's word for it.  I never used it, I just
  > > assumed it was similar to 5.  4 was the beginning of the integration
of
  IE
  > > with operating system shell GUI.   I guess it took them one revision
to
  > > get
  > > it where it wasn't crashing everything.
  > >
  > > Gary
  > >
  > > "Robert Comer" <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message
  > > news:42f5222c@w3.nls.net...
  > >> IE4 was an abomination and nowhere near as well behaved as netscape4.
  > >> IE5
  > >> was where IE started to get decent.
  > >>
  > >> - Bob Comer
  > >>
  > >>
  > >> "Gary Britt" <zotu@nospamforme.com> wrote in message
  > >> news:42f50cf6$1@w3.nls.net...
  > >> > Yes, in general IE 4 was as good as Netscape 4 to the average
person.
  > >> > I
  > >> > was
  > >> > on canopus back then, but really didn't get involved in using IE
much
  > >> > until
  > >> > IE 5.  Didn't 5 follow onto 4 rather quickly?  I used Netscape 3
  until
  > >> > moving finally to win95/98 from dos/win3.1.  By the time I moved to
  > >> > win95/98
  > >> > IE 5 was out.
  > >> >
  > >> > Gary
  > >> >
  > >> > "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message
  news:42f4c45d$1@w3.nls.net...
  > >> >>
  > >> >> "Gary Britt" <zotu@nospamforme.com> wrote in message
  > >> >> news:42f475e9$1@w3.nls.net...
  > >> >> > I agree Netscape went crappy, but not on the timing.  Netscape
was
  > >> > better
  > >> >> > than IE through versions 3.  At version 4 level IE and Netscape
  were
  > >> > tied,
  > >> >> > IMO.
  > >> >>
  > >> >> Did you just say that abomination IE4 was as good as Netscape at
the
  > >> >> time?
  > >> >>
  > >> >> Geo. (maybe you didn't know me then?)
  > >> >>
  > >> >>
  > >> >
  > >> >
  > >>
  > >
  > >
  >

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