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Text 6803, 110 rader
Skriven 2005-08-28 10:56:38 av Rich (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 6796 av Frank Haber (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Mac OSX and TPM
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From: "Rich" <@>

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   You are missing the point completely.  The mac osx use of a TPM as =
described is arbitrary.  It could just as well be any other = distinguishing
characteristic.

Rich

  "Frank Haber" <frhaber@N0SPMrcn.com> wrote in message =
news:4311f15b@w3.nls.net...
  >   My point is that it is arbitrary

  Distortion.  TPM was introduced as a user (and corporate owner) access =

  restriction limiter for laptops.  It's designers take pains to =
separate=20
  themselves from such naked DRM/CP schemes as Palladium and its heirs.  =
In=20
  reality it's a compendium.  Yes, anything can be used for anything, =
with=20
  varying effectiveness.  It's a lot easier to spoof a 1394 port or a =
Mac=20
  address.

  Even the most enlightened TPM can cause huge expense and bother when =
everyone=20
  forgets the password.  You have to take that into account in your =
purchase=20
  decision.  While I've never heard of a TPM firmware failure that =
rendered a=20
  laptop mainboard or hard disk into dumpster material, I've heard of =
human=20
  failure, for sure.  TPM misused and DRM are much worse.

  It all carries the whiff of artifical machinations designed to turn =
what we've=20
  become used to - immortal software and nearly immortal hardware - =
mortal. If=20
  the customer sees the venality in that and does not buy, so be it.=20

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; You are missing the point=20
completely.&nbsp; The mac osx use of a TPM as described is = arbitrary.&nbsp;
It=20
could just as well be any other distinguishing = characteristic.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV>"Frank Haber" &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:frhaber@N0SPMrcn.com">frhaber@N0SPMrcn.com</A>&gt; =
wrote in=20
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href=3D"news:4311f15b@w3.nls.net">news:4311f15b@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>&g=
t;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  My point is that it is arbitrary<BR><BR>Distortion.&nbsp; TPM was =
introduced=20
  as a user (and corporate owner) access <BR>restriction limiter for=20
  laptops.&nbsp; It's designers take pains to separate <BR>themselves =
from such=20
  naked DRM/CP schemes as Palladium and its heirs.&nbsp; In <BR>reality =
it's a=20
  compendium.&nbsp; Yes, anything can be used for anything, with =
<BR>varying=20
  effectiveness.&nbsp; It's a lot easier to spoof a 1394 port or a Mac=20
  <BR>address.<BR><BR>Even the most enlightened TPM can cause huge =
expense and=20
  bother when everyone <BR>forgets the password.&nbsp; You have to take =
that=20
  into account in your purchase <BR>decision.&nbsp; While I've never =
heard of a=20
  TPM firmware failure that rendered a <BR>laptop mainboard or hard disk =
into=20
  dumpster material, I've heard of human <BR>failure, for sure.&nbsp; =
TPM=20
  misused and DRM are much worse.<BR><BR>It all carries the whiff of =
artifical=20
  machinations designed to turn what we've <BR>become used to - immortal =

  software and nearly immortal hardware - mortal. If <BR>the customer =
sees the=20
  venality in that and does not buy, so be it. =
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