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Ärende: Re: TPM
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From: "Rich" <@>
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You wrote
Initially the idea that the TCPA had was to add a TPM chip, since then =
they
have decided to integrate it directly into the CPU. Pentium D is the =
first
of these CPUs.
What do you mean by "it"? If you don't mean the TPM then what exactly = is
"it" that is being integrated into the Pentium D? Honestly, I think = you have
no clue and you are repeating garbage others have told you.
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message news:4311ff56@w3.nls.net...
I didn't say TPM's are built into the Pentium D as I NEVER EVEN USE =
THE TERM "TPM", I said it contains DRM. Stop being such an ass.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:4311f9f3@w3.nls.net...
Your bogus claims regarding DRM were in regard to TPMs. You are =
wrong that TPMs are built in to the Pentium D. Again, your spreading =
misinformation makes you look like an idiot. You should read up only = this
from from honest credible sources.
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:4311e782@w3.nls.net...
I'm only trying to comment on what you are claiming about ME with =
your "what George likes to call DRM" comment. If anyone here is guilty = of
spreading misinformation, it's you, I'm correcting that = misinformation..
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:4311df6d$1@w3.nls.net...
I'm neither talking up or talking down TPMs. Your spreading =
misinformation or making claims based on misinformation isn't going to = help
you make a point. It just makes you look like an idiot.
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:4311ddfb@w3.nls.net...
You are the one talking up TPM, i'm talking about your comment =
quoted for your convenience below, on my view of DRM which is what I'm =
saying the CPU now contains. I could care less to get limited in scope = to
only TPM as that could be something as simple as encryption or a = watermark.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:4311d082$1@w3.nls.net...
The TPM is not in the CPU. You need honest and accurate =
sources of info. Neither link you give is.
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:4311b913@w3.nls.net...
"Robert Comer" <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:4310dbd2@w3.nls.net...
> VT is virtualization. LT is security. Neither =
is what george
likes
> to
> call DRM.
Initially the idea that the TCPA had was to add a TPM =
chip, since then they
have decided to integrate it directly into the CPU. =
Pentium D is the first
of these CPUs.
Here's the problem:
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq-0.2.html
and
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html
Rich can spin it any way he likes but anyone who reads =
either of those
articles above will have a pretty clear understanding of =
my issues with it.
Geo.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> You wrote</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#008000>Initially the idea that the TCPA had was to =
add a TPM=20
chip, since then they<BR>have decided to integrate it directly into =
the CPU.=20
Pentium D is the first<BR>of these CPUs.</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What do you mean by "it"? If you =
don't mean=20
the TPM then what exactly is "it" that is being integrated into the =
Pentium=20
D? Honestly, I think you have no clue and you are repeating = garbage
others=20
have told you.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Geo" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>> wrote=20
in message <A=20
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href=3D"news:4311ff56@w3.nls.net">news:4311ff56@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I didn't say TPM's are built into the =
Pentium D=20
as I NEVER EVEN USE THE TERM "TPM", I said it contains DRM. Stop being =
such an=20
ass.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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href=3D"news:4311f9f3@w3.nls.net">news:4311f9f3@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Your bogus claims =
regarding DRM=20
were in regard to TPMs. You are wrong that TPMs are built in =
to the=20
Pentium D. Again, your spreading misinformation makes you =
look=20
like an idiot. You should read up only this from from honest =
credible=20
sources.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Geo" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
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href=3D"news:4311e782@w3.nls.net">news:4311e782@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm only trying to comment on =
what you are=20
claiming about ME with your "what George likes to call DRM" =
comment. If=20
anyone here is guilty of spreading misinformation, it's you, I'm=20
correcting that misinformation..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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V>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> I'm neither =
talking up or=20
talking down TPMs. Your spreading misinformation or making =
claims=20
based on misinformation isn't going to help you make a =
point. It=20
just makes you look like an idiot.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Geo" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>> wrote =
in message=20
<A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You are the one talking up =
TPM, i'm=20
talking about your comment quoted for your convenience =
below, on=20
my view of DRM which is what I'm saying the CPU now contains. =
I could=20
care less to get limited in scope to only TPM as that could be =
something as simple as encryption or a watermark.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> The TPM is not =
in the=20
CPU. You need honest and accurate sources of =
info. =20
Neither link you give is.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Geo" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:4311b913@w3.nls.net">news:4311b913@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>"R=
obert=20
Comer" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:bobcomer@mindspring.com">bobcomer@mindspring.com</A>>=20
wrote in message<BR><A=20
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href=3D"news:4310dbd2@w3.nls.net">news:4310dbd2@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR><BR>=
> =20
VT is virtualization. LT is security. Neither =
is what=20
george<BR>likes<BR>> to<BR>> =
call=20
DRM.<BR><BR>Initially the idea that the TCPA had was to =
add a TPM=20
chip, since then they<BR>have decided to integrate it =
directly=20
into the CPU. Pentium D is the first<BR>of these=20
CPUs.<BR><BR>Here's the problem:<BR><BR><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq-0.2.html">http://www.cl.c=
am.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq-0.2.html</A><BR><BR>and<BR><BR><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html">http://www.gnu.=
org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html</A><BR><BR>Rich=20
can spin it any way he likes but anyone who reads either =
of=20
those<BR>articles above will have a pretty clear =
understanding of=20
my issues with=20
=
it.<BR><BR>Geo.<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOT=
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