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Ärende: Re: TPM
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From: "Geo" <georger@nls.net>
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Why do you believe dislike of DRM is related to illegal copying? Can't I = hate
it just because it makes my job harder than need be?
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:43126fbd@w3.nls.net...
Brilliant. Intel is building DRM into the pentium by adding what, =
DRM! Wow! Can you be any more vague or any more paranoid?
For someone who believes his manufactured claims are irrelevant, =
you sure spend a lot of energy going on about how everyone is out to get = you
and you are entitled to steal whatever you want.
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message news:43122ded@w3.nls.net...
Only in response to your use of the term TPM, you won't find me =
using "TPM" in any of my previous posts concerning DRM which is what you = were
commenting about with your "Neither is what george likes to call = DRM."
statement.
"It" referrs to DRM. In the case of the CPU that's probably a =
function that requires that any cards or devices you connect to the = computer
comply with the CCI and AKE requirements before being allowed = access to any
protected content. I don't really know what they have = tucked into the CPU, I
just know they are doing the "no unannounced drm" = dance instead of stating
clearly that it doesn't contain ANY NEW drm = that wasn't in previous Pentiums.
Personally I think the whole thing is stupid, DRM isn't going to =
stop the media underground, it's going to accelerate it, all DRM is = going to
do is prove useful to create more restrictive licensing terms = for software,
something that is really going to get under my skin and = quite honestly is
going to result in MS losing it's position as king of = the hill. I really
don't want to see that happen, I like MS products.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:43120917@w3.nls.net...
You wrote
Initially the idea that the TCPA had was to add a TPM chip, =
since then they
have decided to integrate it directly into the CPU. Pentium D is =
the first
of these CPUs.
What do you mean by "it"? If you don't mean the TPM then what =
exactly is "it" that is being integrated into the Pentium D? Honestly, = I
think you have no clue and you are repeating garbage others have told = you.
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:4311ff56@w3.nls.net...
I didn't say TPM's are built into the Pentium D as I NEVER EVEN =
USE THE TERM "TPM", I said it contains DRM. Stop being such an ass.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:4311f9f3@w3.nls.net...
Your bogus claims regarding DRM were in regard to TPMs. =
You are wrong that TPMs are built in to the Pentium D. Again, your = spreading
misinformation makes you look like an idiot. You should read = up only this
from from honest credible sources.
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:4311e782@w3.nls.net...
I'm only trying to comment on what you are claiming about ME =
with your "what George likes to call DRM" comment. If anyone here is = guilty
of spreading misinformation, it's you, I'm correcting that = misinformation..
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:4311df6d$1@w3.nls.net...
I'm neither talking up or talking down TPMs. Your =
spreading misinformation or making claims based on misinformation isn't = going
to help you make a point. It just makes you look like an idiot.
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:4311ddfb@w3.nls.net...
You are the one talking up TPM, i'm talking about your =
comment quoted for your convenience below, on my view of DRM which is = what
I'm saying the CPU now contains. I could care less to get limited = in scope to
only TPM as that could be something as simple as encryption = or a watermark.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message =
news:4311d082$1@w3.nls.net...
The TPM is not in the CPU. You need honest and =
accurate sources of info. Neither link you give is.
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:4311b913@w3.nls.net...
"Robert Comer" <bobcomer@mindspring.com> wrote in =
message
news:4310dbd2@w3.nls.net...
> VT is virtualization. LT is security. =
Neither is what george
likes
> to
> call DRM.
Initially the idea that the TCPA had was to add a =
TPM chip, since then they
have decided to integrate it directly into the CPU. =
Pentium D is the first
of these CPUs.
Here's the problem:
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq-0.2.html
and
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html
Rich can spin it any way he likes but anyone who =
reads either of those
articles above will have a pretty clear =
understanding of my issues with it.
Geo.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Why do you believe dislike of DRM is =
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illegal copying? Can't I hate it just because it makes my job harder = than
need=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Brilliant. Intel =
is building=20
DRM into the pentium by adding what, DRM! Wow! Can you be =
any more=20
vague or any more paranoid?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> For someone who believes =
his=20
manufactured claims are irrelevant, you sure spend a lot of energy =
going on=20
about how everyone is out to get you and you are entitled to steal =
whatever=20
you want.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Geo" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>>=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Only in response to your use of the =
term TPM,=20
you won't find me using "TPM" in any of my previous posts concerning =
DRM=20
which is what you were commenting about with your "<FONT =
size=3D3>Neither is=20
what george likes to call DRM." =
statement.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT =
size=3D3></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT size=3D3>"It" referrs to DRM. =
In the case=20
of the CPU that's probably a function that requires that any cards =
or=20
devices you connect to the computer comply with the CCI and AKE =
requirements=20
before being allowed access to any protected content. I don't really =
know=20
what they have tucked into the CPU, I just know they are doing the =
"no=20
unannounced drm" dance instead of stating clearly that it doesn't =
contain=20
ANY NEW drm that wasn't in previous Pentiums.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Personally I think the whole thing is =
stupid, DRM=20
isn't going to stop the media underground, it's going to accelerate =
it, all=20
DRM is going to do is prove useful to create more restrictive =
licensing=20
terms for software, something that is really going to get under my =
skin and=20
quite honestly is going to result in MS losing it's position as king =
of the=20
hill. I really don't want to see that happen, I like MS=20
products.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT size=3D3>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> You =
wrote</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#008000>Initially the idea that the TCPA had =
was to add=20
a TPM chip, since then they<BR>have decided to integrate it =
directly=20
into the CPU. Pentium D is the first<BR>of these=20
CPUs.</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What do you mean by "it"? =
If you don't=20
mean the TPM then what exactly is "it" that is being integrated =
into the=20
Pentium D? Honestly, I think you have no clue and you are =
repeating=20
garbage others have told you.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Geo" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>>=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I didn't say TPM's are built =
into the=20
Pentium D as I NEVER EVEN USE THE TERM "TPM", I said it contains =
DRM.=20
Stop being such an ass.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Your bogus =
claims regarding=20
DRM were in regard to TPMs. You are wrong that TPMs are =
built in=20
to the Pentium D. Again, your =
spreading misinformation=20
makes you look like an idiot. You should read up only =
this from=20
from honest credible sources.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Geo" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>> =
wrote in=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm only trying to comment =
on what you=20
are claiming about ME with your "what George likes to call =
DRM"=20
comment. If anyone here is guilty of spreading =
misinformation, it's=20
you, I'm correcting that misinformation..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> I'm neither =
talking up=20
or talking down TPMs. Your spreading misinformation =
or=20
making claims based on misinformation isn't going to help =
you make=20
a point. It just makes you look like an =
idiot.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Geo" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>> =
wrote in=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You are the one talking =
up TPM, i'm=20
talking about your comment quoted for your =
convenience=20
below, on my view of DRM which is what I'm saying the =
CPU now=20
contains. I could care less to get limited in scope to =
only TPM=20
as that could be something as simple as encryption or a=20
watermark.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> The TPM =
is not in=20
the CPU. You need honest and accurate sources of =
info. Neither link you give is.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Geo" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>> wrote=20
in message <A=20
=
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obert=20
Comer" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:bobcomer@mindspring.com">bobcomer@mindspring.com</A>>=20
wrote in message<BR><A=20
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href=3D"news:4310dbd2@w3.nls.net">news:4310dbd2@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR><BR>=
> =20
VT is virtualization. LT is security. =
Neither is=20
what george<BR>likes<BR>>=20
to<BR>> call=20
DRM.<BR><BR>Initially the idea that the TCPA had was =
to add=20
a TPM chip, since then they<BR>have decided to =
integrate it=20
directly into the CPU. Pentium D is the first<BR>of =
these=20
CPUs.<BR><BR>Here's the problem:<BR><BR><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq-0.2.html">http://www.cl.c=
am.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq-0.2.html</A><BR><BR>and<BR><BR><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html">http://www.gnu.=
org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html</A><BR><BR>Rich=20
can spin it any way he likes but anyone who reads =
either of=20
those<BR>articles above will have a pretty clear=20
understanding of my issues with=20
=
it.<BR><BR>Geo.<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOT=
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