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Ärende: Re: Windows Vista video enhancements
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From: "Geo" <georger@nls.net>
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It wasn't sensitive in the newshell, it took a long time before they did =
anything about it.
As for vista thumbnails, great, I've seen that in action in XP when I = would
open a directory full of video files and the stupid thing would = default to
thumbnail view and take 10 minutes to display the directory.. = Now it gets
extended to documents and everything else, wonderful I can't = wait.
You know what would be helpful, if they would multithread the explorer = so
that when I open "my computer" where I have a bunch of remote = attached drives
I don't have to wait for the authentication before it = populates the window,
just show a place holder and let a separate thread = retrieve the remote stuff
while the UI responds with what it has now. = Have they added that yet?
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:437408a4@w3.nls.net...
You must not remember that you have complained to me about this =
many times over the years often together with silly suggestions over how = you
would optimize it. You have probably forgotten that icon = extraction, which
is not specific to EXEs, was sensitive to link speed.
I'm sure you will have more reason to complain since in Windows =
Vista there will be more use of thumbnails. Today you get thumbnails = for an
image file but not a document. In Windows Vista you should see = thumbnails
for the document too. From =
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/experience.mspx
Thumbnails=20
New scalable thumbnails are used throughout Windows to show you the =
actual first page for documents, the actual photo for photos, a screen =
capture for videos, and album art for individual songs. By previewing = the
actual contents of a file at a glance, you'll find what you want = more quickly
without the trial-and-error of opening files to preview = them.=20
You'll find thumbnails in the Explorers as live icons; when you rest =
the mouse pointer over a minimized window on the Task Bar; and when you = flip
through open windows using the features codenamed "Flip" and "Flip = 3D".
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message news:43740176@w3.nls.net...
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:4372d15b@w3.nls.net...
>> Simple transparancy and alpha blending are available in Windows =
98 and
maybe Windows 95 and improved further in Windows 2000. You can see
screenshots of a translucent calculator at
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dnwui/html/layerwin.asp. =
LDDM is
more than that.<<
Yes and it is so typical of the win9x team to go overboard like =
that. Let me
tell you a little story.
Back when the newshell was being done, one of the things that users =
asked
for was better icons. They wanted to see a word doc look different =
from a
notepad text file (remember the days of program manager/file =
manager?).
Anyway the guys doing the newshell for win9x went overboard, instead =
of
standard icons based on file extensions they had to allow different =
icons
for every .exe file, you know, so notepad.exe could be a notepad and
calc.exe could be a calculator.
The result was that when you attach to a remote drive and open a =
directory,
windows has to touch each and every stupid file to retreive the icon =
data if
available. When newshell came out we called this effect iconitis =
because
when done over a modem it was painfully slow. Course the guys who =
wrote and
tested it never noticed because they were all working on the newest =
and
fastest machines and networks so what would they care?
How much do you want to bet the same guys worked on Glass? Well at =
least
it's not something that can't be turned off, guess they did learn
something..
And there's more, in 1997 when I was at MS trying to give them some =
ideas, I
described a 3D GUI where not only could you stack icons vertically =
and
horizontally but I described how I wanted to stack them going back =
into the
screen (perspective) so you could have a stack of rows that looked =
like a
file cabinet drawers with just the tabs visible. Functional, more =
icons in
less space type of stuff. Instead we get glass which requires more =
video cpu
than is available on systems 8 years later and that stupid XP view =
where
only 20 icons fit on a full screen open folder?
Geo. (it's not very functional but it looks sooooooo cool... where =
is my
2x4..)
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It wasn't sensitive in the newshell, it =
took a long=20
time before they did anything about it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As for vista thumbnails, great, I've =
seen that in=20
action in XP when I would open a directory full of video files and the =
stupid=20
thing would default to thumbnail view and take 10 minutes to = display
the=20
directory.. Now it gets extended to documents and everything else, = wonderful
I=20
can't wait.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You know what would be helpful, if they =
would=20
multithread the explorer so that when I open "my computer" where I have = a
bunch=20
of remote attached drives I don't have to wait for the authentication = before
it=20
populates the window, just show a place holder and let a separate thread =
retrieve the remote stuff while the UI responds with what it has now. = Have
they=20
added that yet?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:437408a4@w3.nls.net">news:437408a4@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> You must not remember =
that you have=20
complained to me about this many times over the years often together =
with=20
silly suggestions over how you would optimize it. You have =
probably=20
forgotten that icon extraction, which is not specific to EXEs, was =
sensitive=20
to link speed.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> I'm sure you will have =
more reason=20
to complain since in Windows Vista there will be more use of =
thumbnails. =20
Today you get thumbnails for an image file but not a document. =
In=20
Windows Vista you should see thumbnails for the document too. =
From <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/experience.mspx">http://www=
.microsoft.com/windowsvista/experience.mspx</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>
<H3><FONT color=3D#008000>Thumbnails </FONT><A =
name=3DThumbnails></A></H3>
<P><FONT color=3D#008000>New scalable thumbnails are used throughout =
Windows=20
to show you the actual first page for documents, the actual photo =
for=20
photos, a screen capture for videos, and album art for individual =
songs. By=20
previewing the actual contents of a file at a glance, you'll find =
what you=20
want more quickly without the trial-and-error of opening files to =
preview=20
them. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT color=3D#008000>You'll find thumbnails in the Explorers as =
live=20
icons; when you rest the mouse pointer over a minimized window on =
the Task=20
Bar; and when you flip through open windows using the features =
codenamed=20
"Flip" and "Flip 3D".</FONT></P></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Geo" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:43740176@w3.nls.net">news:43740176@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>"R=
ich"=20
<@> wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:4372d15b@w3.nls.net">news:4372d15b@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR><BR>=
>> =20
Simple transparancy and alpha blending are available in Windows 98=20
and<BR>maybe Windows 95 and improved further in Windows 2000. =
You can=20
see<BR>screenshots of a translucent calculator at<BR><A=20
=
href=3D"http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dnwui/html/layerwin.asp">=
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dnwui/html/layerwin.asp</A>. =
;=20
LDDM is<BR>more than that.<<<BR><BR>Yes and it is so typical =
of the=20
win9x team to go overboard like that. Let me<BR>tell you a little=20
story.<BR><BR>Back when the newshell was being done, one of the =
things that=20
users asked<BR>for was better icons. They wanted to see a word doc =
look=20
different from a<BR>notepad text file (remember the days of program=20
manager/file manager?).<BR>Anyway the guys doing the newshell for =
win9x went=20
overboard, instead of<BR>standard icons based on file extensions =
they had to=20
allow different icons<BR>for every .exe file, you know, so =
notepad.exe could=20
be a notepad and<BR>calc.exe could be a calculator.<BR><BR>The =
result was=20
that when you attach to a remote drive and open a =
directory,<BR>windows has=20
to touch each and every stupid file to retreive the icon data=20
if<BR>available. When newshell came out we called this effect =
iconitis=20
because<BR>when done over a modem it was painfully slow. Course the =
guys who=20
wrote and<BR>tested it never noticed because they were all working =
on the=20
newest and<BR>fastest machines and networks so what would they=20
care?<BR><BR>How much do you want to bet the same guys worked on =
Glass? Well=20
at least<BR>it's not something that can't be turned off, guess they =
did=20
learn<BR>something..<BR><BR>And there's more, in 1997 when I was at =
MS=20
trying to give them some ideas, I<BR>described a 3D GUI where not =
only could=20
you stack icons vertically and<BR>horizontally but I described how I =
wanted=20
to stack them going back into the<BR>screen (perspective) so you =
could have=20
a stack of rows that looked like a<BR>file cabinet drawers with just =
the=20
tabs visible. Functional, more icons in<BR>less space type of stuff. =
Instead=20
we get glass which requires more video cpu<BR>than is available on =
systems 8=20
years later and that stupid XP view where<BR>only 20 icons fit on a =
full=20
screen open folder?<BR><BR>Geo. (it's not very functional but it =
looks=20
sooooooo cool... where is=20
my<BR>2x4..)<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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