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Text 8818, 177 rader
Skriven 2005-12-26 01:50:48 av Geo (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 8814 av Rich (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Geeks vs. the living room
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From: "Geo" <georger@nls.net>

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Anything broadcast over the air on the local stations is already = available
"for free". Whether you record it yourself using an HD card or = download it
from the internet it's still free (in fact one could make = the argument that
downloading it actually incurs a cost since you pay a = premium for the high
speed internet access)

Geo.
  "Rich" <@> wrote in message news:43af642c@w3.nls.net...
     You are missing point.  Whether or purpose or not I can't tell.  =
That some people want something, anything, for free is not the topic = under
descussion nor should it be a surprise to anyone.

  Rich


    "Don Hills" <black.hole.4.spam@gmail.com> wrote in message =
news:kNgrDtgaXKST092yn@attglobal.net...
    In article <43aade2c@w3.nls.net>, "Rich" <@> wrote:
    >   No.  I don't want examples of people pirating TV shows.  I asked =
you
    >for the top five examples of your earlier claim, living room =
devices
    >that succeeded because geeks adopted them and everyone else =
followed
    >asking geeks for how to do it.
    >
    >>  "Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:43aa8da1$1@w3.nls.net...
    >>  You want examples of people going the route I've gone? Get on =
emule
    >>and search on any of the current high def TV shows, those are not =
tivo
    >>or viiv or media center users.

    You may not want "pirating TV shows" as an example, but it is a very
    compelling one for non-geeks. They see the results at their geek =
friend's
    house and want to get them too. Pretty soon there are products to =
make it
    easy and intuitive. This is driving the current adoption of home =
media
    systems in the same way as porn drove the adoption of the VCR.

    Around these parts, we're at the stage where the geeks find and =
download the
    shows then burn them to DVD for their own use and for swapping with =
friends.
    There's a demand here because the local TV channels don't buy the =
shows
    because they don't think they'll rate. Sales of legally released TV =
shows on
    DVD sets are also brisk, proving that people would be prepared to =
pay for
    them if they were legally available.

    Gee, spend money trying to stem the demand or make money satisfying =
it...
    you'd think the media companies would show more common sense.

    --=20
    Don Hills    (dmhills at attglobaldotnet)     Wellington, New =
Zealand

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Anything broadcast over the air on the =
local=20
stations is already available "for free". Whether you record it yourself =
using=20
an HD card or download it from the internet it's still free (in fact one =
could=20
make the argument that downloading it actually incurs a cost since you = pay
a=20
premium&nbsp;for the high speed internet access)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV>"Rich" &lt;@&gt; wrote in message <A=20
  =
href=3D"news:43af642c@w3.nls.net">news:43af642c@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; You are missing =
point.&nbsp; Whether=20
  or purpose or not I can't tell.&nbsp; That some&nbsp;people want =
something,=20
  anything, for free is not the topic under descussion nor should it be =
a=20
  surprise to anyone.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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    <DIV>"Don Hills" &lt;<A=20
    =
href=3D"mailto:black.hole.4.spam@gmail.com">black.hole.4.spam@gmail.com</=
A>&gt;=20
    wrote in message <A=20
    =
href=3D"news:kNgrDtgaXKST092yn@attglobal.net">news:kNgrDtgaXKST092yn@attg=
lobal.net</A>...</DIV>In=20
    article &lt;<A=20
    href=3D"mailto:43aade2c@w3.nls.net">43aade2c@w3.nls.net</A>&gt;, =
"Rich"=20
    &lt;@&gt; wrote:<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; No.&nbsp; I don't want examples =
of=20
    people pirating TV shows.&nbsp; I asked you<BR>&gt;for the top five =
examples=20
    of your earlier claim, living room devices<BR>&gt;that succeeded =
because=20
    geeks adopted them and everyone else followed<BR>&gt;asking geeks =
for how to=20
    do it.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; "Geo" &lt;<A=20
    href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>&gt; wrote in =
message <A=20
    =
href=3D"news:43aa8da1$1@w3.nls.net">news:43aa8da1$1@w3.nls.net</A>...<BR>=
&gt;&gt;&nbsp;=20
    You want examples of people going the route I've gone? Get on=20
    emule<BR>&gt;&gt;and search on any of the current high def TV shows, =
those=20
    are not tivo<BR>&gt;&gt;or viiv or media center users.<BR><BR>You =
may not=20
    want "pirating TV shows" as an example, but it is a =
very<BR>compelling one=20
    for non-geeks. They see the results at their geek friend's<BR>house =
and want=20
    to get them too. Pretty soon there are products to make it<BR>easy =
and=20
    intuitive. This is driving the current adoption of home =
media<BR>systems in=20
    the same way as porn drove the adoption of the VCR.<BR><BR>Around =
these=20
    parts, we're at the stage where the geeks find and download =
the<BR>shows=20
    then burn them to DVD for their own use and for swapping with=20
    friends.<BR>There's a demand here because the local TV channels =
don't buy=20
    the shows<BR>because they don't think they'll rate. Sales of legally =

    released TV shows on<BR>DVD sets are also brisk, proving that people =
would=20
    be prepared to pay for<BR>them if they were legally =
available.<BR><BR>Gee,=20
    spend money trying to stem the demand or make money satisfying=20
    it...<BR>you'd think the media companies would show more common=20
    sense.<BR><BR>-- <BR>Don Hills&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (dmhills at=20
    attglobaldotnet)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Wellington, New=20
  Zealand<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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