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From: "Rich" <@>
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Microsoft offers other licenses. You don't like the one emachines =
chooses. Get a naked system and FPP if this is what you prefer.
Remember this started with a discussion of the new macs which like =
existing macs offer you no choice. You can't buy a mac without the OS = and
you can't install the OS on a non-mac. Comparing this to the open = market of
PCs and Windows, it's like night and day.
Rich
"Rich Gauszka" <gauszka@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
news:43cabe04@w3.nls.net...
Actually people here are saying that a portion of the customer base =
would be better served without such a restrictive OS license. You are =
attempting to portray MS as some sort of innocent bystander in these =
licensing agreements. Yes, MS has a right to mandate these restrictions = just
as I, as a consumer, have a right to be displeased by them.=20
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:43caa304@w3.nls.net...
If customers assign value to the choices emachine does not make, =
as the folks here claim to, they would be competing better by better = serving
these customers. It's all emachines choice.
Rich
"Rich Gauszka" <gauszka@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
news:43c9e273$1@w3.nls.net...
Sure they have a choice. They can choose to compete in the =
commodity PC market by accepting the MS solution or not. It's a = business
decision that's more a necessity than a 'choice'. =20
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:43c9d6d0@w3.nls.net...
Only if you redefine incentive to mean choice.
Rich
"Rich Gauszka" <gauszka@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
news:43c95883@w3.nls.net...
and MS doesn't offer 'incentives' so that eMachines will make =
that choice? =20
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:43c954da@w3.nls.net...
It sure is important. You claimed that replacing the =
computer but keeping the case is the keeping the same computer. You = really
do need to have a firm basis in reality if you want to make a = point.
The choice you continue to whine about is one made by =
emachines. You should be whining to them. But of course no one expects = you
to. You will likely continue to whine.
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:43c933e8$4@w3.nls.net...
Not incapable, unimportant to my point that tying Windows =
license to the hardware is proof that Microsoft is just as draconian.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message news:43c92b7f@w3.nls.net...
"motherboard, case, what's the difference", Are you =
seriously incapable of distinguishing?
If you are unhappy with emachines, whine to =
emachines.
Rich
"Geo" <georger@nls.net> wrote in message =
news:43c8849b$4@w3.nls.net...
Motherboard, case, what's the difference, pick which =
you want to call the computer. The point is if I buy software I expect = to be
allowed to run that software on one computer, if my old computer = dies I
expect to be able to replace the hardware and run the same = software on one
computer.=20
Change that model, force me to buy new software every =
time I buy a new computer, an suddenly it gets a lot easier to move to =
another platform like Mac or Linux.
Geo.
"Rich" <@> wrote in message =
news:43c7e440@w3.nls.net...
I doubt it was tied to that individual =
motherboard or even that type of motherboard.
BTW, are we all to be pretending that the case is =
the computer and the motherboard an accessory instead of the reality.
Rich
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Microsoft offers other =
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You don't like the one emachines chooses. Get a naked system and = FPP
if=20
this is what you prefer.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Remember this started with =
a=20
discussion of the new macs which like existing macs offer you no =
choice. =20
You can't buy a mac without the OS and you can't install the OS on a=20
non-mac. Comparing this to the open market of PCs and Windows, = it's
like=20
night and day.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Actually people here are saying that a portion of =
the=20
customer base would be better served without such a restrictive =
OS=20
license. You are attempting to portray MS as some sort of =
innocent=20
bystander in these licensing agreements. Yes, MS has a right to =
mandate these=20
restrictions just as I, as a consumer, have a right to be =
displeased by=20
them. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> If customers assign =
value to the=20
choices emachine does not make, as the folks here claim to, they =
would be=20
competing better by better serving these customers. It's all =
emachines=20
choice.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Sure they have a choice. They can choose to =
compete in=20
the commodity PC market by accepting the MS solution or=20
not. It's a business decision that's more a necessity =
than a=20
'choice'. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Only if you =
redefine incentive=20
to mean choice.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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href=3D"mailto:gauszka@hotmail.com">gauszka@hotmail.com</A>> wrote in =
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>and MS doesn't offer 'incentives' so that =
eMachines=20
will make that choice? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> It sure is=20
important. You claimed that replacing the computer but =
keeping=20
the case is the keeping the same computer. You really =
do need=20
to have a firm basis in reality if you want to make a=20
point.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> The =
choice you=20
continue to whine about is one made by emachines. =
You=20
should be whining to them. But of course no one =
expects you=20
to. You will likely continue to whine.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>> =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Not incapable, =
unimportant to my=20
point that tying Windows license to the hardware is proof =
that=20
Microsoft is just as draconian.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> =
"motherboard, case,=20
what's the difference", Are you seriously =
incapable of=20
distinguishing?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> If you are =
unhappy=20
with emachines, whine to emachines.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV>"Geo" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:georger@nls.net">georger@nls.net</A>> wrote in=20
message <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Motherboard, case, =
what's the=20
difference, pick which you want to call the computer. =
The=20
point is if I buy software I expect to be allowed to =
run that=20
software on one computer, if my old computer dies I =
expect to=20
be able to replace the hardware and run the same =
software on=20
one computer. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Change that model, =
force me to=20
buy new software every time I buy a new computer, an =
suddenly=20
it gets a lot easier to move to another platform like =
Mac or=20
Linux.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geo.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Rich" <@> wrote in message <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> I =
doubt it was=20
tied to that individual motherboard or even that =
type of=20
motherboard.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> BTW, =
are we all to=20
be pretending that the case is the computer and the=20
motherboard an accessory instead of the=20
reality.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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