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Skriven 2005-06-08 08:37:00 av John Hull (1:379/1.99)
     Kommentar till en text av Alan Hess
Ärende: Koran abuse
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06 Jun 05 14:54, Alan Hess wrote to John Hull:

 AH> Whilst masticating on <Jun 04 05>, John Hull (1:379/1.99)
 AH> wrote to BOB SAKOWSKI:

 JH>> I don't believe we're torturing anyone, and there is plenty of 
 JH>> evidence to show that much of the ruckus about all this is 
 JH>> generated by the terrorists themselves making false accusations.  
 JH>> No, I wouldn't use torture unless it was a national necessity, 
 JH>> such as finding where a smuggled nuke was going to be set off.  
 JH>> In that situation, I would do whatever was necessary to obtain 
 JH>> the information needed.

 AH> How do you guarantee the answer you get is accurate?  Especially 
 AH> if you're dealing with religious fanatics who believe they're 
 AH> acting as their god wishes?  Suffering through torture is just one 
 AH> more thing they have to do before they die and get the eternal 
 AH> reward they expect to get.  Why do you think you'd get a straight 
 AH> answer?

 JH>> Personally, I wouldn't have taken them prisoner to start with.  
 JH>> They're terrorists.  They don't deserve to be treated as if they 
 JH>> were honorable soldiers taken in battle.  You can make of that 
 JH>> whatever you will.

 AH> Do you know they're all terrorists?  Many haven't been charged.  
 AH> Let's prove their terrorists, then we can dispose of them if we 
 AH> choose.

Oh, please.  Don't be so bloody naive.  As far as torture goes, we don't
normally use physical torture simply because it is unreliable.  But there are
ways to get every bit of knowledge in someone's head that are just as ruthless
and sometimes deadly as any physical torture can be.  

You also need some education in the niceties of warfare.  Uniformed soldiers
have some measure of protection under international law and treaty.  There are
rules that we adhere to under such situations.  But terrorists are not
uniformed soldiers, and they don't swear allegiance to a sovereign state.  That
means they don't have any protection under law.  PERIOD.  END OF DISCUSSION.

We can hold them till hell freezes over, literally, and do it legally.  We can
make them disappear overnight, legally.  They have no rights, because they
don't recognize the rights that the entire world has agreed to govern itself by
in times of conflict.  They prey on innocents to make their political points
and achieve their political agenda, and the rest of the world doesn't tolerate
that sort of thing any more than we do.  The only ones who seem to want to do
that are the liberal bleeding hearts like you.

Now, grow up and quit whining about a bunch of suspected terrorists.  By the
way, we've cut most of them loose over time, and only hold the rest because of
the difficulty of determining their innocence.  A good number of them don't
want to go back anyway, because prison in Gitmo is a better life than what they
came from.



John 

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