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Skriven 2005-06-10 07:06:06 av John Hull (1:379/1.99)
     Kommentar till en text av Alan Hess
Ärende: Koran abuse
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09 Jun 05 16:36, Alan Hess wrote to John Hull:

 AH> Whilst masticating on <Jun 09 05>, John Hull (1:379/1.99)
 AH> wrote to Alan Hess:

 JH>>>> They will NEVER change because that would require a fundamental 
 JH>>>> change at the very roots of Islam, of the muslim faith.  How 
 JH>>>> receptive do you think you'd be if someone came along and told 
 JH>>>> you that your religion needed to make a fundamental change at 
 JH>>>> its core?

 AH>>> Not very.  So, I ask again - why are we over there?  Judging by 
 AH>>> what you're saying, it's a hopeless endeavor trying to change 
 AH>>> things.  

 JH>> They attacked us, remember?

 AH> No, Iraq never attacked us.  We're in Afghanistan because that's 
 AH> where al Qaida, who did attack us, was, and the Taliban government 
 AH> sheltered them.  We overthrew Saddam because we chose to.  The two 
 AH> situations are different.

Terrorists attacked us on 9/11, and on numerous occassions for twenty odd years
before that.  Iraq was part of the that terrorist network, so they bear just as
much responsibility as any of the rest of them.  But, even allowing for that,
we still did the right thing because Saddam never did live up to his agreements
from the first Gulf War, and was providing aid and sanctuary to terrorists the
whole time.  Quit whining about it.

 AH>>> There was a time when Christianity wanted to take over the 
 AH>>> world, and followers tortured and killed whomever got in the 
 AH>>> way.  Christians began "Holy Wars" of conquest.  Since that 
 AH>>> time, Christianity and Christians, for the most part, have grown 
 AH>>> out of that mindset.  Islam is a younger religion than 
 AH>>> Christianity, but it's growing up will have to come faster, and 
 AH>>> the only way we can hasten that is by appealing to moderate 
 AH>>> Muslims.  

 JH>> Right, christianity outgrew that period.  With the exception of 
 JH>> the Crusades, most of the so-called "Holy Wars" were between 
 JH>> christian sects, not other religions.  The big difference is that 

 AH> There was an Inquisition, too, among other things.  And Christian 
 AH> European countries mistreated their non-Christian residents just 
 AH> as many Islamic countries do their non-Muslim residents (those 
 AH> that remain) today.

 JH>> Christianity is a real religion.  Islam was NOT conceived as 
 JH>> anything but a means to an end by a megalomaniacal power hungry 
 JH>> individual, who used mysticism and religious zealotry to seize 
 JH>> and hold power a millenium ago.  The chief method used by Islam 
 JH>> since the very beginning to grow and advance has been the murder 
 JH>> of anyone who didn't accept Allah as his god.

 JH>> If you can't see the basic difference between Islam and 
 JH>> Christianity regarding their origins and their message, then 
 JH>> there is no hope for you.

 AH> That difference is immaterial - Islam exists, has well over a 
 AH> billion adherents (like Christianity), and is spreading.  
 AH> Poo-pooing their religion by denouncing its founder (however 
 AH> accurate the description may be) is not going to get us anywhere.  
 AH> Not all Muslims are fundamentalist loons - we will never convince 
 AH> those to live peacefully alongside non-Muslims, or even Muslims of 
 AH> a different sect - there are plenty who aren't, and those are the 
 AH> people we're trying to reach.  We didn't want Islamists winning 
 AH> elections in Afghanistan and Iraq, because we know they'll never 
 AH> change.  

Giving them credibility isn't going to help any either.  Islam, by its very
nature, will never assimilate itself into the world pantheon of religions.  It
is not tolerant of other's beliefs, and will only allow them to live if they
submit themselves as inferiors to Islam.  Like I said, Islam is not a
legitimate religion, its a massive cult.  By the way, one of the hallmarks of a
cult is that they expect members to sacrifice themselves for the good of the
cult on the whims of the leaders.  That is plain to see in the Jonestown
suicide, and the Saucer people in southern California a few years ago.  Islam
calls them suicide bombers.

I won't pretend that we can eliminate Islam, but we sure as hell shouldn't be
playing games with them either.  We should exterminate every single one of them
we find under arms and do it with extreme prejudice.  Because that's all they
understand.  

John 

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