Text 13606, 96 rader
Skriven 2005-06-14 07:53:33 av John Hull (1:379/1.99)
  Kommentar till text 13596 av Gary Braswell (1:123/789.0)
Ärende: Hatred
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13 Jun 05 23:02, Gary Braswell wrote to John Hull:

 John Hull ->> Ed Hulett wrote:


 EH>>>> When Vern says Ho was not a man we could back, I'd believe him.
 EH>>>> What evidence do you have that we could have backed Ho?

 GB>>> His working with us during WWII against the Chinese, his
 GB>>> approaching Claire Chenault who time and again tried to get the 
 GB>>> US to back Ho against the French trying to re-establish their
 GB>>> colonial empire. His desire to emulate the US at that time and
 GB>>> establish a democracy.

 JH>> He's still stuck on that image of Ho as George Washington that was
 JH>> perpetrated by the revisionist historians of the 60's.  Same bunch 
 JH>> that

 GB> I am?

 GB> I challenge you to show where I said this.

 GB> What is it with your two?

 GB> Continually putting words in my mouth and points I am not making.

We can't help it if the way you word things leads one to that conclusion.  You
made it sound as if there was a real chance for Ho to get aid from the US.  You
are the one speculating on how things 'could have' been different.  We've been
telling you all along that Ho never had a snowball's chance in hell of getting
aid from the US.


 GB> Do you want to debate or discuss something or just attribute lies 
 GB> to me?

 JH>> gave Kerry a pass during his VVAW days.  Ho didn't give a damn who
 JH>> helped him, as long as he got what he needed and there were 
 JH>> minimal strings attached.  Stalin stepped up and the rest is 
 JH>> history.

 GB>>> We backed Saddam, Ed, is he any more cuddly than Ho?

 GB>>> Ho started to allow/authorize his own people to be murdered in
 GB>>> "the cause", among a great many other evils.

 GB>>> But at one time, early on, it was different. Ho, at the time he
 GB>>> was dealing with Claire Chenault, fully expected the US to back a
 GB>>> democracy movement.

 GB>>> Then the Cold War set in.

 GB>>> Things changed for everyone.

 JH>> Gary needs to do some more reading on the 1945-49 period.  
 JH>> Everybody fought against the Japs during the war, including Ho, 
 JH>> except for a few

 GB> Gary has done plenty of reading on the time.

 GB> John needs to do more past the political revisionism.


 JH>> of communist collaborators.  I had a friend who served in China 
 JH>> right when the war ended, most of the Japanese troops were paroled 
 JH>> and allowed to keep their weapons for protection from the Chinese 
 JH>> while they waited for repatriation.  That's the same time frame 
 JH>> when Ho started having problems with Chenault, and the nationalists 
 JH>> and Mao's tribe starting mixing it up.  The few US troops in China 
 JH>> and the general area stayed out of it for the most part, acting 
 JH>> mostly as referees between the Chinese and Japanese.  Ho was just 
 JH>> another warlord looking for weapons and money - one of many from 
 JH>> our viewpoint.  Degaulle and Truman had already inked the NATO deal 
 JH>> by the time Ho ginned up enough gumption to ask the US for serious 
 JH>> levels of help.

 GB> Ho started having problems with Chenault?

 GB> What problems?

Indirectly.  Chenault and Chiang Kai Shek were nationalists.  With Mao and the
communist rebels thrown in, it was a giant furball.  The Nationalists ended up
being forced out to Formosa.  Indochina, on the southern border of China,
became Vietnam and Cambodia and Thailand.  Don't forget that Indochina covered
a lot more territory than just Vietnam.  There has never been any love lost
between the Vietnamese and Chinese, and after we left they would fight a brief
war against China.  The only really stable period in that whole region was when
the French controlled it.

John 

America:  First, Last, and Always!
LIBERALS AND DOGS KEEP OFF THE GRASS!

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