Text 1394, 125 rader
Skriven 2004-08-22 14:18:29 av John Hull (1:379/1.99)
   Kommentar till text 1392 av Fred Noon (1:275/312.1)
Ärende: Re: This is Hurting
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22 Aug 04 12:52, Fred Noon wrote to Bob Sakowski:

 FN>   Re: Re: This is Hurting
 FN>   By: Bob Sakowski to Fred Noon on Sun Aug 22 2004 11:34:00



 BS>> Then there is this...

 BS>> Last month, Charleston City Council apologized to two protesters 
 BS>> arrested for wearing anti-Bush T-shirts to the president's July 4 
 BS>> rally. The pair were taken from the event in restraints after 
 BS>> revealing T-shirts with Bush's name crossed out on the front and 
 BS>> the words "Love America, Hate Bush" on the back.
 BS>> Trespassing charges were ultimately dismissed.
 BS>> 
 BS>> Only in the Fatherland, right?
 BS>> 
 BS>> We best get about our business rooting these fascist bastards out 
 BS>> of our country.

 FN> Good luck, Bob.  I think you'll need it.  I think the fascists may 
 FN> be 
 FN> heavily and covertly entrenched.  How will you dig them out?

 FN> John Hull recently posted a message from a woman claiming 
 FN> Christian
 FN> and anti-Kerry e-mail was being censored.  If you could 
 FN> demonstrate 
 FN> that to yourself, how would you prove that it was the result of 
 FN> something other than a technical glitch?  To whom would you turn 
 FN> for
 FN> help?  Who has the power to investigate if such things are 
 FN> happening?
 FN> Who has the ability to prove that some one or a group is 
 FN> responsible 
 FN> for intentionally disrupting the distribution of such e-mail?


Christians have been under attack for a long time in this country.  That is
well documented, and in the press on a regular basis.  AOL and Yahoo have both
had problems with overstepping their bounds regarding censorship.  That too has
been in the press off and on for a fair amount of time.  

 FN> If people are being arrested for simply wearing t-shirts that say 
 FN> things, 
 FN> who will you ask for help in rooting out fascists who are 
 FN> censoring 
 FN> e-mail or netmail?  And if it's possible for others to covertly 
 FN> disrupt the 
 FN> distribution of netmail or e-mail flowing over the Internet, what 
 FN> isn't?  
 FN> Someone may be reading posts written by others but with your name 
 FN> as author.  Someone might be reading messages you wrote, but which 
 FN> have been edited to include things you didn't say.  Others may be 
 FN> forming opinions about you, based - not on something *you* wrote - 
 FN> but on something which was made to appear as though you wrote it!  
 FN> If you were fortunate enough to put together some evidence of this 
 FN> kind 
 FN> of manipulation, to whom would you turn for help?  In whom would 
 FN> you 
 FN> place your trust to "root out the fascists?"  The more you 
 FN> complain about 
 FN> these kind of vulnerabilities, the more people cry out for greater 
 FN> controls.  
 FN> Doesn't that lead to the very thing you find so oppressive?  

The last time somebody made a big stink about getting arrested "merely for
protesting against Bush" it turned out that it was the local cops and not the
feds who did the busting because the people violated security perimeters. 
Clinton was famous for doing such things, so don't think its some right-wing
conspiracy at work.

 FN> First the question is: Who's watching the store?  Then the 
 FN> question is: 
 FN> Who's watching the watchers?  The U.S. has become a police state 
 FN> and the present administration has set out to make the U.S., the 
 FN> police 
 FN> of the world.  The words "freedom" and "liberty" don't mean very 
 FN> much 
 FN> if you can get arrested for simply wearing a t-shirt.  The phrase 
 FN> "freedom 
 FN> of speech" doesn't mean very much, if, when you post your thoughts 
 FN> to 
 FN> others, they're routinely censored by someone with their own 
 FN> agenda.  
 FN> And should you attempt to seek help in putting an end to such 
 FN> activity, 
 FN> you can count on being labeled "paranoid."  You can bet on it.  
 FN> It's a
 FN> tactic that works.  Your stealthy enemy will be smearing your 
 FN> name, 
 FN> engaging in character assassination, discrediting you by inuendo, 
 FN> false
 FN> allegations, trumped up charges.  If none of that works to silence 
 FN> you 
 FN> and keep you in line, you can count on other forms of intimidation 
 FN> and 
 FN> physical threats.  You'll inevitably be called a coward by someone 
 FN> who
 FN> claims the title "SUPER-PATRIOT."  He might even spout a few lines 
 FN> that
 FN> sound vaguely like he's imitating Jack Nicholson in a movie.

 FN> "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!"


 FN> Good luck finding out what THE TRUTH is.


Right.  And if you're conservative, that automatically makes you some kind of
fascist Nazi pig according to you liberals.  Sakowski likes to slap the Nazi
label on people, and so do a number of others here when anyone dares to
disagree with the PC way of looking at things.  Well, guess what, the street
goes both ways, not just your way.  If you guys have a problem with that,
better go see a sky pilot, because we don't care if you like it or not.


John 

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