Text 24147, 192 rader
Skriven 2006-10-30 14:46:21 av John Hull (1:123/789.0)
Kommentar till text 24144 av Gary Braswell (1:123/789.0)
Ärende: Election
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Gary Braswell -> RICHARD HELM wrote:
GB> RICHARD HELM -> GARY BRASWELL wrote:
RH>> On 29 Oct 10, GARY BRASWELL wrote to MIMI GALLANDT:
RH>> on the subject: Election
GB>>> MIMI GALLANDT -> VERN HUMPHREY wrote:
MG>>>> VERN HUMPHREY wrote:
JB>>>>>> So as the elections move closer, one has to ask oneself, why do
JB>>>>>> the terroris want the republicans to lose the election and
JB>>>>>> democrats to win ? As soon as folks rationalize that question,
JB>>>>>> they will pull the right levers in the poll places.
VH>>>>> The terrorists rightly regard a Democratic victory in this election
VH>>>>> as a major victory for them.
MG>>>> Of course they do and they're correct, it would be.
GB>>> And now there are 4.
RH>> Your comments simply don't make sense. Terrorists win when the
GB> citizenry
RH>> losses confidence in the government. The Democratic Party by its
GB> words and
RH>> deeds HAVE given support to the goals of terrorists.
GB> The terrorists have been trying to influence our national elections when
GB> they come.
GB> To get both parties claiming the other is a means for terrorist victory
GB> is a victory for the terrorists.
RH>> One process that the Democratic Party hopes to win the majority in the
RH>> coming election is by discouraging Republican voters confidence in
GB> their
RH>> elected representatives and NOT vote on or before Nov 7. *IF* that
GB> happens
RH>> then by text book definition the Democratic Party HAS aided the
GB> terrorists.
GB> That is one process and not a new one. I don't happen to agree with it.
GB> But why it is done makes the difference. I doubt the Democratic party is
GB> doing it because the terrorists have said lack of Republican voter
GB> turnout will help us win.
If the Democrat Party cared a damn about what it stood for, knowing that the
terrorists preferred it to the GOP, they would change their platform. That
they don't says to me they don't give a damn.
GB> Terrorists have stated their preference of what party is elected and the
GB> parties are using the very terrorists words in elections.
The GOP is doing so as a warning to the party faithful that Democrat policies
put us in harm's way to an even greater extent. The Dems are doing so to
regain party power.
GB> And of course, if the terrorists hit us, even not on our soil, just
GB> before the election, it drives votes to the incumbent and Republicans.
GB> But I don't think Republicans are sitting around hoping for a
GB> pre-election hit either.
RH>> The Democratic Party hasn't offered a single plan to accomplish the
RH>> objective of supporting democracy in Iraq or any other country in the
GB> The Democrats are just like the Republicans were before the advent of
GB> Newt and the Contract With America. Contrarians who are out and want in
GB> and either cannot or will not formulate policy, but just point out what
GB> is wrong and talk about change.
Oh, baloney, Gary. The GOP has always had an agenda to lower taxes, get rid of
welfare, etc. It took us a long time to overcome the Democrat incumbents, and
we couldn't have done it had Clinton not tried to make a run on our guns and
without the help of Rush Limbaugh.
GB> I love the idea of supporting and spreading democracy. I wish it was our
GB> policy since we first started this country. But we have a long record of
GB> supporting tyrannical dictators who in then old days just declared they
GB> were anti-communist and would get help from us. In more modern times,
GB> all they had to be was the enemy of our enemy with no thought of what
GB> happens afterward. Now if they claim they are anti-terrorist, they will
GB> get a pass.
GB> To be honest, I worry what will pass for Democracy in the Arab world.
GB> They could easily establish an Islamic Republic who elect their
GB> representatives, but still practice orthodox or even radical tenets of
GB> their faith and be against us and maybe even fight us.
The Arab world doesn't want democracy, and in fact, doesn't understand it.
They want an Islamic theocracy across the entire world, subject to Shia law.
Just because they elect representatives doesn't make them a democratic form of
government.
GB> Certainly their governments could be made up of terrorists or factions
GB> of terrorists. We see examples of that now.
GB> Without a reformation or renaissance in their religion and culture, I
GB> don't see much hope for what we think of as a democracy holding.
GB> My own .2 worth is we are seeing a slower version of what is left if the
GB> wake of colonialism. The the undeveloped world, after colonialists left
GB> and traditional monarchs took back over, the radical elements eventually
GB> threw them out of power and established all sorts of brutal regimes that
GB> only now are we seeing true democracies rise from.
GB> I think much of the Arab world is in the transition phase from
GB> monarchies to regimes.
They are in transition from one country living in the 14th century to all of
the middle east - if we let them. Islam is not set up to allow individual
freedom and one man one vote type of government. It depends on the subjugation
of the individual to the almighty Allah and his holy mullahs on earth. It is
organized and run as a dictatorship, nothing less.
GB> Conservatives who warned about nation building are right. You cannot
GB> give democracy to peoples who have never really known it.
GB> I guess I am still a fool then, because I don't want to believe it.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
RH>> entire world. In fact that party's last candidate for the Office of
RH>> President of the United States has openly stated on two occasion
GB> that the
RH>> peoples of the countries where we had soldiers on line didn't even
RH>> understand democracy. He said it about the Vietnamese and he's
GB> said it
RH>> about the Iraqis.
GB> I don't think the people have to understand democracy to want it. They
GB> understand freedom and that is all that is needed to get things going.
GB> Then they have to have the will to fight and die for it.
The very definition of freedom is antithetical to Islam and everything it
stands for. You cannot be a devout muslim and also believe in republican
democracy.
RH>> Clearly the ONLY way that the Democratic Party can win in the coming
RH>> election is that people don't vote. *IF* that happens the
GB> terrorists HAVE
RH>> won.
GB> Well, its the off season vote, right? Where in times past, mostly only
GB> the loyal base votes.
GB> There is a lot of discontent out there. I guess if the Democrats can get
GB> the Republican base not to vote it would be a landslide.
GB> I don't think that will happen.
GB> Discontent and uneasiness does not have to be defined in people for them
GB> to vote a different way.
GB> Cynically we all know that what a politician says is not always what he
GB> does and just because you have a plan, it may not be the right one or
GB> even one the people want more of at the moment.
We elect people to represent us. Their job is to use their best judgement to
do what is necessary to carry out that mandate. Sometimes they blow. But
that's why we have elections. If somebody is not doing what they were elected
to do, we can vote them out. Their job is not to facilate from one plan de
jour to the next trying to satisfy the whims of the populace.
GB> I think the Dems can win if lots of people come out and vote.
GB> I know a lot of Dems who are all fired up now. I know a lot of
GB> Republicans who are not happy with the way things are going.
GB> I also know its all anecdotal.
GB> But I do know one thing. Whenever we do engage in the democratic
GB> process, unfettered by terrorist propaganda that one party or another
GB> gives them victory, we win. If we left them divide us, we have lost.
It used to be that US political policy differences between the parties ended at
the water's edge. Overseas we spoke with one voice and one mind, supporting
the president and his foreign policy. The world respected us in those days.
But that isn't the way it is anymore. The Democrats have become so enamored of
wielding power and retaining power at any cost that they have sacrificed that
solidarity, and exposed us to the kind of attacks carried out by fascist
Islamic terrorists. It isn't a matter of them dividing us, its a matter of the
Democrats abandoning those things that enabled us to function on the world
stage, solely to regain and retain political power on the home front.
You really need to harden your heart, Gary, and realize that they want to kill
us, and don't give a damn about such niceties as democracy and fair play,
justice, or morality.
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