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Skriven 2006-11-02 09:56:14 av Gary Braswell (1:123/789.0)
  Kommentar till text 24297 av Jeff Binkley (1:226/600)
Ärende: Election
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Jeff Binkley -> Gary Braswell wrote:

 JB>>> I see.  So they don't want us to leave and they see great
 JB>>> terrorist victories in killing a few US servicemen without it
 JB>>> making much in the way of news.  Got it.  That really doesn't
 JB>>> fit the pattern of most terrorists and most terrorists aren't
 JB>>> real excited about taking on a well armed military.

 GB>> Of course they don't take on a well armed military in a
 GB>> out-in-the-open fight, terrorists never do if they can avoid it for
 GB>> obvious reasons. But bombs, sniping, etc. they do carry out and while
 GB>> the casualties are low compared to other wars, it has an effect back
 GB>> home. Chaos, division, infighting, etc hopefully making their enemy
 GB>> weaker. It also makes them big guys in the eyes of the people who
 GB>> hate the US.

 JB> Which would include those living in the US who also hate or loathe this
 JB> country. They sound just like those who live outside of the US, who hate
 JB> this country.

Without a doubt and its these sleepers or wannabes that really worry me.

If they take action and are US citizens, they should be tried for treason and
if found guilty, executed.



 GB>>>>>> Ready made and available US targets, not to mention a huge
 GB>>>>>> recruiting situation makes our stay there a welcome one to
 GB>>>>>> the hierarchy of terror outfits.

 JB>>>>> That makes no sense.  They don't need us there to stir up
 GB>> hatred  GB>> of the

 GB>>>> It makes plenty of sense.

 GB>>>> They may not need us there to stir hatred of the US, but as
 GB>>>> long as we are there, the hatred grows and spreads in an order
 GB>>>> of magnitude and more importantly, since they can paint us as
 GB>>>> invaders, conquerors they can get more people to actually come
 GB>>>> in and fight.

 JB>>> You have bought into the propaganda of the left well.

 GB>> Its not from the left.

 JB> Didn't say you were.  Just said you are preaching much of what they do.


 GB>> You mean to tell me masses of the Arab world does not see us as
 GB>> invaders, conquerors in Iraq? Our being there does not give the
 GB>> radicals fuel for the fire?

 JB> Nope.  I don't see the entire Arab world coming to the aid of the
 JB> terrorists.  If they were, then I might believe this.  Much of the Arab
 JB> world is actually helping us or staying out of the way.

I was not trying to say most of the Arab world will come to the aid of
terrorists. However, much of the Arab world see us through propagandists. A
large percentage of the Arab world is illiterate and they get their political
information, believe it or not, through 3 major political cartoonists who all
hate the US. Others of course see Al Jezeera.

It creates a fertile ground.


 GB>> Instead it makes them think we are liberators, calms them and makes
 GB>> them welcome us as friends?

 GB>> I am not saying we are conquerors, of course we are not. I am talking
 GB>> about their perception through the dishonest propaganda of the terror
 GB>> brokers. That leads to more hate and more people willing to join them
 GB>> and more jihaddis willing to throw their lives away.

 JB> Propaganda will always be propaganda.  You are suggesting we can control
 JB> it.

I think we should try. So far our efforts are weak.



 GB>> By saying this I am not justifying us leaving or not trying to win.
 GB>> Its just a fact.

 GB>> We must stay and we must win. Over time, I hope they will see as
 GB>> their dead continue to rise and we go nowhere, the terror brokers
 GB>> will lose power and influence by seeing despite their efforts and
 GB>> dead piling up, we are still there.

 GB>> The Japanese of WWII blamed us for them attacking us because we
 GB>> embargoed them. They vilified us in their public as strangling them
 GB>> to death.

 GB>> That is a fact. It does not mean I agree with their point.

 JB> It also took many many years, after WWII for Japan and germany to get to
 JB> calm.  We need patience and not let our actions be dictated to us by the
 JB> Arab or any other media outlet.

Agreed.



-- 
"We are safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the
night to visit violence on those who would do us harm."- George Orwell

"For those dreams taken, here are a few nightmares."
Written on a bomb dropped on Tora Bora.

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