Text 26634, 120 rader
Skriven 2007-01-31 15:14:21 av Gary Braswell (1:123/789.0)
  Kommentar till text 26606 av John Hull (1:123/789.0)
Ärende: Presidential race
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John Hull -> Ed Hulett wrote:

 EH>>>> Just how do we "shut down the border," John?

 JH>>> It's very simple.  You put up a 14 ft razorwired fence, augmented
 JH> with
 JH>>> sensors.  You declare a one mile "no man's land" from the fence
 EH>> inland.
 JH>>> You patrol the line with armed UAV's and Army or National Guard or
 JH>>> Border Patrol ground units.  Anyone who breaches the fence gets one
 JH>>> opportunity to surrender or they get shot.

 EH>> Oh yeah, that's a realistic plan, John.


 JH> Why not?  The Minutemen patrolling in Arizona caused a major drop in
 JH> illegal crossings, and they didn't have a fence or any high tech gear to
 JH> help them.  Congress already authorized a fence, or perhaps you forgot
 JH> about that.

The minutemen were shooting anyone as I recall, unlike what you endorse. And I
don't think Congress has passed any laws, nor have any border states, allowing
the shooting of illegals simply for crossing the border either, or have you
forgot about that?



 EH>>>> And, did you know that the majority of illegals don't even come
 JH>>> close to
 EH>>>> water as they cross the border?

 JH>>> Don't be so damn literal.

 EH>> Than don't you be so bigoted.

 JH> I'm not bigotted.  I don't give a damn who it is or why they want to
 JH> come here.  If they can't do it legally, they're no better than a sneak
 JH> thief burglar and deserve the same kind of response.

Calling them wetbacks pretty much shows how you think on the bigot issue, John.



 JH>>>>> And any US business owner that gets caught hiring illegals runs the
 EH>>>> risk
 JH>>>>> of doing hard time.

 EH>>>> There's that crux of the situation. If they couldn't get hired on
 EH>>>> somewhere, they'd not bother entering the country illegally.

 JH>>>>> Can't be any more blunt than that.

 EH>>>> The use of the term "wetback" isn't right no matter how you feel
 EH>> about
 EH>>>> the issue of illegal aliens.

 JH>>> Why? Does that offend your sensibilities?  Tough.

 EH>> No, it just shows how bigotted you are.

 JH>>> 'Wetback' is a synonym for illegal alien and you know it.

 EH>> Actually, it is a synonym for a certain kind of illegal. One
 JH> specifially
 EH>> from Mexico. It has been broadened to include virtually *anyone*
 JH> who has
 EH>> arrived here from Mexico.

 JH> Careful, your bleeding heart is getting your keyboard wet.

Give me a break, John.

You branding Mexicans wetbacks and advocating them being shot for simply
crossing the border shows your heart as well, he heart of a totalitarian state.



 JH>>> I refuse to use 'illegal immigrant' because they aren't immigrants,
 JH>>> they're f*cking invaders!

 EH>> Good for you. Just don't whine when someone take exception at your
 EH>> language.

 JH>>> And, before anybody says anything, I don't care one whit what
 JH>>> nationality they are, or what their ethnic background is.  If they
 JH>>> aren't legal, they're invaders and should be treated accordingly.

 EH>> Uh huh, the land of the free and the home of the brave would really
 JH> live
 EH>> up to that name isolating itself behind a fence and shooting anyone
 JH> who
 EH>> crossed it.


 JH> I can't believe the moronic posture some people take on illegals.  You

I don't think Ed's position is moronic at all and I did not see him saying he
wanted no restrictions.

I think he, like I, like people to be treated with respect on the race issue
and not being shot for simply crossing the border.

 JH> can't keep allowing people to come in without restrictions.  We don't
 JH> have the resources to handle it.  I don't give a damn who they are or
 JH> where they come from.  The bus is full.  Every seat is taken and the
 JH> standing room is filled.  They missed the bus, too bad for them.

I agree we can't keep the door open and we have to take steps to stop it, short
of branding a people wetbacks and reducing their humanity enough its not humans
we are shooting for just coming across the border.

-- 
"We are safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the
night to visit violence on those who would do us harm."- George Orwell

"For those dreams taken, here are a few nightmares."
Written on a bomb dropped on Tora Bora.

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